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Old 12-31-2016, 01:31 AM
 
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I never said white men don't talk about white women in public at all. I did say Paladino would not have called a white woman a gorilla, and say she should move into a cave in Zimabawe. It's not possible to use a more racist attack against someone, and it's really silly for you to deny this. Hillary's opponents have called her names, but nothing so dehumanizing. He even said Barack should get mad cow disease for sleeping with Michelle who he called a gorilla.

I generally got a long quite well with the people I worked with. So this situation of the likability of the employee has nothing to do with me personally.
Well, you brought up the example of someone not being liked generally at work. I was just pointing out that if one person seems to be disliked by a bunch of other people at work, maybe, just maybe, it's not the other people. Whether it's you or someone else is irrelevant.

Would Paladino specifically said that a white woman should go live in Zimbabwe with a gorilla (that's what he actually said, he didn't call her a gorilla), probably not. But Paladino is no stranger to controversy and doesn't seem like he would have an compunction about attacking anyone he disagrees with. Kinda like Trump. He didn't care if it was a white man, a white woman, or whoever. Hillary Clinton has been called all kinds of dehumanizing stuff. Go to Reddit and check out the depictions of her on there. You'll be just as offended if not more than about what Paladino said.

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Noone denies that white supremacy/racism still exist in the binary sense (which only requires 1 racist/white supremacist in order to substantiate the claim that racism/WS still exists). That said, I'd posit that racism is not the primary impediment to peoples' ability to achieve their goals in the US in 2016. This is for people of all races.

Do you think that racism is the primary factor that impedes black people who are less successful in life than they would like to be?

In my experience, minorities act as if they want to be viewed as victims (of racism, oppression, etc.) even if the evidence is not that strong. Do you have any insight into why minorities often wish to view themselves in this light?

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Racism isn't the primary factor in why black people and other minorities are on average less successful than their white counterparts in my opinion. A detailed discussion of that would be too long for this thread. Ultimately it comes down to very basic things like lack of parental involvement and guidance. There are generally two ways to get ahead in America (and in any society) if you are not born to wealth. The first is education, the second is hard work. With both, you can rise from nothing to be a billionaire. But with either, you can rise from nothing to have a decent life.

Unfortunately, when it comes to many urban/inner city blacks, the emphasis is on everything except those two things. Their parents don't push them enough to do well in school, and they allow them too much independence and not enough guidance to keep them out of trouble and teach them how to work hear to achieve. Couple that with the fact that, in places with heavy concentrations of urban blacks, you often find liberals who are all too willing to ignore any need for responsibility and instead support the notion that the only thing keeping them down is racism (this is one of the main reasons they are allowed to view themselves as victims so often, because they are being held to a very low standard by the people who they put in office), and you have a recipe for far too many black people underachieving. You can have two black children. They attend the same school, they live in the same poor neighborhood and they have the same basic family income. Why can one do well and go on to college and graduate school and become a success? From personal experience, I'll tell you that it is the parents whose guidance will make the difference. The ones who fail pass up every opportunity provided for them. They are provided free education, they don't pay attention in class. They are provided free bus and train fare to get to school, they don't show up on time or decide to skip school entirely. And these things can be nipped in the bud by an attentive parent.

That's one part of it and obviously it just my perspective. But I am speaking from experience having grown up in some of the worst neighborhoods in NYC (before they became hip) and attending public school here all my life up to college (CCNY) before going to California for graduate school. I saw the difference between what I was doing and what some of the other students were doing. I know why they failed. It wasn't a surprise. And the main reason why I didn't follow their path was my mother's hand in making sure that I knew what my priorities were.
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Old 12-31-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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My mind is always on my credit score and savings account instead of racism. Guess that's what makes me different.
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Old 12-31-2016, 05:20 PM
 
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White men are no more likely to sexually abuse a child than a black man.

White folks are much more likely to call the cops on their predators. Black folks are much less likely to call the cops. That gives the illusion that white men sexually abuse children at a higher rate, when in fact they don't.

Some studies show that black children are molested at a higher rate. Probably due to the predator having less fear of getting caught by the law.
Statistical proof that Black people are less likely to call the police and especially in this circumstance? I bet you have none.
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:17 AM
 
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I work as a technician in an IT department at a large college in the city.it.


I was waiting for you to say where you work.


1. You don't work in a professional where intangible factors determine the perception of whether you are succeeding or not. IT is pretty tangible. Stuff either works or it doesn't.


2. You don't work in the corporate world, where its either up or out. Got stuck in he same slot as you weren't promoted. You will be out the door if you aren't perceived as promotable.


Maybe your attitude can work where you are but in the financial and other business service centers less so.


So be known as the "angry black man" (not because you are angry, but because others aren't "comfortable" with you) and you will not be allowed the assignments that prove your worth, allow you visibility, and eventually enable you to develop alliances.


Now I am not going to discuss the success factors for being an IT technician in a college, but I do know that it is a whole lot different from being a professional in a management consulting firm, a major law firm, or a bank. In addition once you rise above certain levels in these fields your reputation spreads before you as you seek to change slots. This as more people know each other than you would believe, so will make discrete calls to see who knows you and what they think of you. And the higher up you go often the degree to which people see you "fitting in" becomes more important than you ability to perform specific tasks.


So yes you better be concerned about how people higher up in the management chain think of you. You better also figure out which one(s) of your peers have connections to the upper echelons, as they can be dangerous, as they seek to promote their interests.
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:26 AM
 
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Do you think that racism is the primary factor that impedes black people who are less successful in life than they would like to be?

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Do you think that blacks are a monolithic groups so that you can argue whether racism does or doesn't impact their position?


It might shock you to know that there are blacks who work hard, study hard, and do all that any one will require of them and still run into the implicit bias which does create an additional barrier. Yes they generally find ways to overcome these barriers, yet in doing so undergo levels of stress that their white peers don't.


Would any one have dared to call Barbara Bush a gorilla in high heals. or Nancy Reagan? Now Michelle Obama has done all that was required of her and yet she is subjected to this level of abuse. I can only wonder about the levels of stress, and on occasion self doubt that she must go through.
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:32 AM
 
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Their parents don't push them enough to do well in school, and they allow them too much independence and not enough guidance to keep them out of trouble and teach them how to work hear to achieve. .


And then there are those blacks who take education seriously, are independent minded and have an ideology of personal responsibility for their fate in life. And still they run into implicit bias. I know several of them, many even establishing their own businesses.


Black MBAs from Harvard initially start off with comparable salaries to their white peers, but after 10 years have fallen well behind.


I expect a thesis about lazy Harvard black MBAs wanting government hand outs. Because this is the usual excuse which is trotted out when ever any discussion of implicit bias is discussed.


And I prefer to use the term implicit bias than racism so that the true 2016 racism is discussed, and we don't get sidelined into some nonsense that bias is over because the "whites only" signs have come down.
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:33 AM
 
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look at the case with afrika bambaataa the zulu nation knew what he was doing with very young dudes for 25 years or more and only came out last year because his victims came forward and told the press!


We can spend all day discussing issues based on the actions of a few individuals. Should we discuss cannibalism among white males because a few of them seemed to enjoy eating people who they killed?
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:41 AM
 
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. I'm not white myself .


Are you black? So can you seriously imply that your experience because relevant to blacks?


In fact blacks in general and black men in particular suffer levels of abuse that is not necessarily directed at others.


There have been several instances, captured on camera, of black women, some even middle class, being handled by cops as if they were men. Hardly likely that a Latin or Asian woman would be subjected to this treatment. Definitely NOT a white woman.


The fact that male black college graduates earn the same as male white high school graduates, or that black men with no criminal records earn LESS than white men WITH criminal records is an interesting discussion.


I am deliberately not comparing blacks with college degree with whites as this doesn't adjust for the types and quality of college education received.


Yes folks like to confine the discussion to the inner city impoverished black, even though more than 60% of blacks aren't impoverished.
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:04 AM
 
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look at the case with afrika bambaataa the zulu nation knew what he was doing with very young dudes for 25 years or more and only came out last year because his victims came forward and told the press!
Are you high on something?

On a more serious note, how many priests, football coaches, or other trusted officials (who were of all races) did something similar and this wasn't found out until years later. Pedophiles intimidate their victims, and often the PARENTS do not KNOW until much later.

You should be ashamed of yourself for even attempting to racialism such a serious matter, and then on top of that you're unable to provide any stats proving Black people are less likely to call the cops. You should go hide in shame dude, you just hit a new low. Mocking victims of sexual abuse is not cool.
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:11 AM
 
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Are you black? So can you seriously imply that your experience because relevant to blacks?


In fact blacks in general and black men in particular suffer levels of abuse that is not necessarily directed at others.


There have been several instances, captured on camera, of black women, some even middle class, being handled by cops as if they were men. Hardly likely that a Latin or Asian woman would be subjected to this treatment. Definitely NOT a white woman.


The fact that male black college graduates earn the same as male white high school graduates, or that black men with no criminal records earn LESS than white men WITH criminal records is an interesting discussion.


I am deliberately not comparing blacks with college degree with whites as this doesn't adjust for the types and quality of college education received.


Yes folks like to confine the discussion to the inner city impoverished black, even though more than 60% of blacks aren't impoverished.
While discrimination maybe a factor, a number of Black graduates want to feel as though they are helping the "community". So disproportionately Black male and female graduates go into low paying DEAD end professions like teaching and social work. Of course none of this makes a difference due to factors we've exhausted on this forum. And the right wingers here are right to a degree about the "leftists" groups on campus, and these disproportionately steer minorities to low wage/dead end careers.

Whether in our communities in the US, or in our nations abroad, people of color (I don't just mean Black people) will need to focus on better business development and further developing our own communities and countries . And by businesses I don't just mean storefront businesses.

If there were more Black people startup businesses,it would have major impacts in our communities. Look at people like Zuckerberg and Gates. By creating their huge companies they brought up a lot of people with them.
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