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Old 02-09-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Of course there are politicians who exploit racism. I could say the same for media, particularly those who make money off the bad news coming from "inner cities" which is never explained without context. Black people are presented/stereotyped as just bad. Rarely is historical context discussed. Such as government policies pushing Black people into housing projects or otherwise on welfare, at the same time that they were discriminated against in the housing market and in the employment market. And as a GI you know returning Black GIs were not allowed to access those benefits the way white GIs . The significance of this is white GI were able to go to school and get degrees, get cheap loans to start businesses or buy houses, and they pushed a number of white families into the middle class or made them wealthy even. These opportunities are CURRENTLY available for people of all races, but it certainly takes time to catch up when you're way behind for historical purposes.
When you tell people things like this they think you're making excuses for people. I think people know that opportunities don't just come to you but we pride ourselves as a nation where there is equal opportunity for everyone, which I don't believe is true and I'm sure others don't as well. They think blacks support criminals and hate police, when the truth is a lot of people from these communities see criminals as an embarrassment and despise them just as much as they do.

Discrimination in employment, housing, and being barred from certain institutions is certainly enough to lead someone to a life of crime. Illegal activity as a means of survival also (plenty of past examples to see that this is also a possibility.)

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Old 02-09-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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As a homeowner with a mortgage you are allowed a tax deduction on the interest on the mortgage. You are receiving a benefit not given to renters.



Immigrants tend to have a higher success rate of moving up socioeconomically (within one generation of arriving to the U.S.), so even if they are the same race they can have different views on it (situational poverty vs generational poverty).
Even that varies, depending on the literary of the immigrant, and the financial resources of the immigrant. In large numbers poor non white immigrants aren't competing with well off white people. But of course if you're a wealthy foreigner it's a whole different ballgame.

It also depends on where the immigrants end up moving to upon coming here. Those who are poor and end up in the hood often get caught up in the welfare and mass incarceration scene. Those who were more affluent or got better opportunities often move to better areas, and their chances of moving up tends to be better.
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Old 02-09-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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When you tell people things like this they think you're making excuses for people. I think people know that opportunities don't just come to you but we pride ourselves as a nation where there is equal opportunity for everyone, which I don't believe is true and I'm sure others don't as well.
Everyone has their own struggles. The middle class is shrinking, pension/retirement is decreasing, services sector jobs don't pay as well compared to manufacturing jobs in the past. Many of their kids are saddled with college debt as financial aid is need base. If you are a poor minority who managed to graduate with a bachelors degree you most likely graduated debt free. The wealth gap in big cities is exacerbated by the concentration of wealthy people in one area.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:07 PM
 
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Everyone has their own struggles. The middle class is shrinking, pension/retirement is decreasing, services sector jobs don't pay as well compared to manufacturing jobs in the past. Many of their kids are saddled with college debt as financial aid is need base. If you are a poor minority who managed to graduate with a bachelors degree you most likely graduated debt free. The wealth gap in big cities is exacerbated by the concentration of wealthy people in one area.
Yet as baby boomers die, their children will get their homes. A big wealth transfer is about to happen. Statistically the average white wealth is much greater than the average Black wealth.

You do realize it's a myth you get money for college just because you are a poor minority? You're eligible for the same financial aid everyone else is. The gateway for many professional jobs is a master's or advanced degree, and unless you're wealthy you'll be doing student loans.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:24 PM
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Woman vs women. He murdered one WOMAN. It doesn't help race relations when some people don't have the mental capacity to realize that one persons actions don't represent the entire group.
Yeah, one guy murdered one woman. That means race relations are destroyed?
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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The problem with this is some people don't want to discuss issues of inequality. Of course within the same race we don't all have equal opportunities. The American narrative is that all you need is hard work to get ahead, and that simply isn't true. It doesn't account for socioeconomic differences in terms of CLASS, or RACE.

Does anyone believe Malia Obama had to work hard, for example? She's Black, but her father was the PRESIDENT. Of course she was going to get into Harvard (where her father and mother attended, and I'm sure her parents made donations).

The same is true of the Bush twins, or Chelsea Clinton, all of whom got into top schools in part based on who their parents were.

In this country, because of the historic discrimination against Black people, the percentage of Black people who can do this is lower, but it's certainly there. Puff Daddy's son Justin Combs got into USC (Daddy's fame had to help). Ditto for people of other races.

Of any race, if you've got poor parents it's going to be that much harder to move up socioeconomically (but not impossible).
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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Yet as baby boomers die, their children will get their homes. A big wealth transfer is about to happen. Statistically the average white wealth is much greater than the average Black wealth.
Significant portion of baby boomers don't have enough money to retire let alone give away substantial amount of inheritance. With the average life span continuing to increase, I believe some will be very disappointed to learn their inheritance was used for those extra years of long term care.

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You do realize it's a myth you get money for college just because you are a poor minority? You're eligible for the same financial aid everyone else is. The gateway for many professional jobs is a master's or advanced degree, and unless you're wealthy you'll be doing student loans.
Yeah I am aware of how disproportionate the financial aid goes to undergraduate schools. Between tuition, rent, and opportunity cost I am surprise anyone who isn't rich can enjoy going to graduate school. This is a race relation thread so I focus on comparing poor minority vs middle class, but yeah financial aid is need based.
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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Significant portion of baby boomers don't have enough money to retire let alone give away substantial amount of inheritance. With the average life span continuing to increase, I believe some will be very disappointed to learn their inheritance was used for those extra years of long term care.



Yeah I am aware of how disproportionate the financial aid goes to undergraduate schools. Between tuition, rent, and opportunity cost I am surprise anyone who isn't rich can enjoy going to graduate school. This is a race relation thread so I focus on comparing poor minority vs middle class, but yeah financial aid is need based.
There's a very substantial percentage of homeowners out there, and their physical property and even other assets are fine. Of course as with every generation there is a substantial generation of booms that never had anything. But that doesn't change the fact a substantial wealth transfer is already taking place as boomers have already started to exit.

NYC is so full of renters you can't see it, but homeownership in the country as a whole tends to generational and this has not changed. Outside places like NYC, renting long term is for underclass people.
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Old 02-09-2017, 06:52 PM
 
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Yet as baby boomers die, their children will get their homes. A big wealth transfer is about to happen. Statistically the average white wealth is much greater than the average Black wealth.

You do realize it's a myth you get money for college just because you are a poor minority? You're eligible for the same financial aid everyone else is. The gateway for many professional jobs is a master's or advanced degree, and unless you're wealthy you'll be doing student loans.
It's not a myth, there are many scholarships only open to minorities and/or women.
Here's a listing:
https://www.unigo.com/scholarships/minority
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:20 PM
 
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It's not a myth, there are many scholarships only open to minorities and/or women.
Here's a listing:
https://www.unigo.com/scholarships/minority
Most of those scholarships are extremely limited in scope and where a person. An use them, etc. There aren't that many funds actually available for these so called minority scholarships. The vast majority of minority students don't get them, and go through the same issues had anyone else is having to put down cash, get student loans, or pell grants.
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