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Old 12-19-2016, 08:39 PM
 
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Help me help my kid decide. What are the relative strengths of Regis, Stuyvesant, Bard, Chaminade and Xavier.
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Old 12-19-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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Wow, really different schools. Some very hard to get into. Has your son been accepted to all? Are you Catholic?
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Old 12-19-2016, 09:05 PM
 
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Only know about two of the five you mentioned well enough to opine... Regis=very liberal... Chaminade=much more conservative. Really can't go wrong with either your son will get a great education...
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Old 12-19-2016, 09:10 PM
 
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Yes Catholic.

Results come starting in January for Catholic and March for public.

Hopefully he will have some choice among these. Regis is a long shot for anyone, but he is a semifinalist. It is his first choice. Bard is also harder to guess about whether he will get in . He will hopefully get into Stuy, Chaminade, and Xavier based on practice test scores greatly exceeding the minimum.

Thanks for any input on this!
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Old 12-19-2016, 11:22 PM
 
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What kind of kid is he? Does he have any idea what he wants to do in college and beyond?
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Old 12-21-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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lol you won't believe me but your kid is better off going to a normal school and ranking @ the top of their class.

my first born just graduated from brooklyn tech (he had 600+ SHSAT) and could attended any high school of his choosing.

he also had a perfect sat score (that's right, perfect) and the only reason he got any scholarship offers is because he's a serious athlete (NYS wrestling finalist).

regis and sty are full of disappointed kids who get rejected from all the HYP schools, despite academic bonafides. if your kid goes to regis theres a good chance they'll get in fordham or georgetown but that's about it. Unless of course you're black. Black gets you into the college of choice but those kids generally bomb out anyway. check out graduation rates for details.

Anyway, we did it differently with my next kid. She's in the honors academy of a normal high school and is already receiving scholarship offers (she's a co- captain of cheerleading) because she goes to a regular high school.

speak to any admins officer in confidence and they'll tell you all the same stuff...

HYP only only take 1 or 2 kids from each school regardless of school. think about it logically. i know your kid is smart but guarantee won't rank 1 or 2 @ brooklyn tech or sty.

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Old 12-21-2016, 01:43 PM
 
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I went to Bard (High School Early College). It's best for liberal arts types. But after Bard I did get to go to Georgetown as a junior because it gives you an AA degree upon graduation, which saved me 2 years of college tuition!

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Old 12-21-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Georgetown was free? That's a great deal! Or was Bard free? Also a great deal!

The only school I know about is Stuy, and, in brief, it's a great school for the right type of kid.

There is some truth to what Citizenrich is saying about the "elite" schools. My daughter went to Stuy and was one of the average kids. The competition is out of sight. There are some students there who excel at academics, plus they're active in extracurriculars. I honestly don't know how they do it. They're extremely driven. They must not sleep, ever.

The pressure can get to a kid who doesn't have a lot of support at home.

BUT with a large school like Stuy, you will have all types of kids, in terms of personality and interests (see CONS, below, about diversity). My daughter did find her crowd and was very happy there. Her grades were in the low 90s most of the time. She knew she wasn't one of the top students, and she was fine with that.

But as Citizenrich said, the "average" Stuy kids do not get into the top colleges. One recruiter said at an event, "I could fill my whole class with Stuy kids and have a great class." But of course no college wants that. So the top layer of kids get a lot of offers, and the others content themselves with what's left over. That's not necessarily bad, because there are a lot of really good colleges out there that are mostly overlooked by people. But for a kid focused on the Ivies or MIT and Stanford, attending Stuy might not be the best way to get there.

Here are the pros and cons, as I see them (take into account that my daughter graduated in 2007, so this may be old):

PROS:

1. Intellectually rigorous (for the most part). High standards for student work. Basically, the first year of college for Stuy kids consists of reviewing what they learned in high school.
2. Diverse student body in terms of interests and abilities (see below, CONS, for ethnic diversity). Nerds rule!
3. Large student body means good array of courses. Lots of APs. Amazing math department.
4. Courses in many foreign languages offered. When my daughter was there, I think Stuy offered ten. She took Japanese.
5. Fairly modern state-of-the-art building, nice location in Battery Park City.
6. Swimming pool, and the kids are forced to learn to swim if they don't already know how.
7. Teachers are generally accessible to kids.
8. Many extracurricular activities.
9. Kids travel from all over the city to attend Stuy (see CONS also).

CONS
1. Lack of ethnic and racial diversity. I don't know what it's like now, but when my daughter was there, the student body was mostly Asian, and I think it's even more so now.
2. A percentage of teachers were unbelievably bad. I mean, really truly incompetent. If Stuy is the cream of the crop, I can't explain how that happens, but it does.
3. Advising department is understaffed. You and your child will not get handholding or much personal attention. This is a public school, after all.
4. Kids travel from all over the city to attend Stuy. Thus, your kid's friends may live far away from you.
5. High-pressure environment. Lots of homework, projects. Students can easily get overwhelmed. You will need to support your kid and occasionally be an advocate.
6. Turnover in the principal's office. I think they hired someone though recently.

That said, my daughter had a great experience there, learned a lot, and attended an out-of-state public college on a full scholarship. That was such a blessing for our family, I can't begin to tell you. Let me know if you have any questions.

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Old 12-21-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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Georgetown was free? That's a great deal! Or was Bard free? Also a great deal!
Bard (High School Early College) was free because it's an NYC public school, and because they give you an AA degree upon graduating, when I went to Georgetown I got to start as a junior (since I had half the credits I needed to get my BA), so I saved 2 years of Georgetown tuition and only needed to pay for 2 years.
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Old 12-21-2016, 03:02 PM
 
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Ohhh, I forgot about that! Great deal! Was it hard for you to land at Georgetown as a junior and, I assume, younger than your peers?
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