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Old 03-22-2017, 11:42 PM
 
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:46 AM
 
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The problem will get worse due to low wages and expensive housing.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: NYC / BK / Crown Heights
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That math just doesn't work for me. $1.2B for 60k homeless is $20k a year per person. It would be cheaper to just get them all apartments. We are clearly not using best practices here somehow.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:28 AM
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The problem will get worse due to low wages and expensive housing.
Not just that - it is now widely known that the City is legally required to shelter all homeless people due to a consent decree it entered back in the day. Hence the slow influx of even more homeless people from other areas as well as the homegrown homeless
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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Not just that - it is now widely known that the City is legally required to shelter all homeless people due to a consent decree it entered back in the day. Hence the slow influx of even more homeless people from other areas as well as the homegrown homeless
This is probably the top cause o the spending. Not on NYers, but on immigrants from other parts of the US, and other parts of the world, all in order to give deblasio and his supporters a sense of moral superiority...

I woudln't be so harsh if they were actually fixing the problem, but wasting taxpayer money to just put people in hotels and ruin neighborhoods without actually doing anything that'll change the situation (jobs, education, etc) is basically an insult to his constituents
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Take money from hardworking NY'ers (through higher taxes, more traffic tickets, etc) in order to support groups that essentially contribute nothing to the city (except lower quality of life and crime).

That's a model for success!
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:20 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Take money from hardworking NY'ers (through higher taxes, more traffic tickets, etc) in order to support groups that essentially contribute nothing to the city (except lower quality of life and crime).

That's a model for success!
Tell me about it. It seems as if some people haven't realized that this city is shifting to a city where those who are educated professionals are taking over and the poor are being pushed to the side. There's nothing unjust about the system because ultimately these people didn't do their part to get an education and a job that actually pays enough for them to support themselves. One of the homeless people is jailbird with FOUR kids. I don't understand people. You're poor. You barely make enough money to feed yourself, so you go out and have FOUR kids so you have even mouths to feed that you can't support. Very smart. He's also takes up smoking cigarettes... An expensive habit. If he stopped smoking, he could probably save a decent amount of money from that alone.

I don't wish bad on anyone, but the stupidity that I see out here in this city is just amazing. You have people that think that working dead-end jobs is acceptable. It's not. They aren't motivated enough to see themselves doing better, and they accept whatever they are given and instead become bitter and hostile at those who work their butts off to provide and do better.
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:20 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Yet there are still homeless?
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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That math just doesn't work for me. $1.2B for 60k homeless is $20k a year per person. It would be cheaper to just get them all apartments. We are clearly not using best practices here somehow.

A lot of the money goes to bureaucracy. That's where it's going. I'm sure not seeing it.
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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This is probably the top cause o the spending. Not on NYers, but on immigrants from other parts of the US, and other parts of the world, all in order to give deblasio and his supporters a sense of moral superiority...

I woudln't be so harsh if they were actually fixing the problem, but wasting taxpayer money to just put people in hotels and ruin neighborhoods without actually doing anything that'll change the situation (jobs, education, etc) is basically an insult to his constituents

Reading article in linked OP only *one* person was remotely "immigrant", and his parents came from Puerto Rico, but he has lived here since a child if not born in NY.


No, the problem is what always has been; high COL including housing matched with incomes that do not reflect true cost of living in this city.


The problem has gotten worse since the 1990's as white flight reversed and the City now is a desirable place to live. Educated to highly professionals and others with good to excellent wealth are flooding into Manhattan and certain other parts of the city. That is causing economic displacement as the places where "cheaper" housing could be found are quickly gentrifying.


As the homeless guy from Brooklyn (the Puerto Rican) said, it wasn't that long ago that Red Hook was a hood, as was large parts of South Brooklyn, now look at the place.


Years ago you had SROs, areas that offered cheap housing and so forth, now much of that is going or gone. When you hear the Bronx is a new "destination" borough that tells you something.
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