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If this thing ever gets off the ground, then Riverdale is going to get a lot more attractive to more people (not that it isn't already).
I suppose, but there are exits around Grand Central already for those who work on the West Side, so it's not as if those people don't take Metro North, but yes it would be more convenient. Aside from that there is an express bus to Penn Station already, plus the Wall Street express bus makes stops in the area, so there is plenty of transportation already. The only people that would complain are those who can't live without a subway, but quite frankly there are some areas of the city that are upper class that don't have a subway and people like it that because it keeps the area exclusive and tucked away. Metro North is much faster than the subway though and this West Side project would certainly be faster than the 1 train. Besides if there was a subway in Riverdale or say other exclusive parts of the city, those areas wouldn't be the same. They would likely be even more dense than they are.
I suppose, but there are exits around Grand Central already for those who work on the West Side, so it's not as if those people don't take Metro North, but yes it would be more convenient. Aside from that there is an express bus to Penn Station already, plus the Wall Street express bus makes stops in the area, so there is plenty of transportation already. The only people that would complain are those who can't live without a subway, but quite frankly there are some areas of the city that are upper class that don't have a subway and people like it that because it keeps the area exclusive and tucked away. Metro North is much faster than the subway though and this West Side project would certainly be faster than the 1 train. Besides if there was a subway in Riverdale or say other exclusive parts of the city, those areas wouldn't be the same. They would likely be even more dense than they are.
It's not just the part about being able to have access to the West Side via train--it's also about the increase in capacity and the number of trains that would be able to run, so Riverdale can get greater rush hour frequencies. Plus, a direct rail line from Riverdale with only 125th and 62nd street stops before 34th street is going to be significantly much, much faster than an express bus. You're talking about a service that puts Riverdale within one stop of the massive Columbia Manhattanville campus on 125th, two stops to corporate jobs at the north end of Midtown West at 62nd street, and three stops away from Penn Station and all of the jobs and rail connections over there. There's going to be a pretty massive nimby / developer fight around the station if this ever comes to pass.
It's not just the part about being able to have access to the West Side via train--it's also about the increase in capacity and the number of trains that would be able to run, so Riverdale can get greater rush hour frequencies.
Not really. That project is for Penn Station directly, not Grand Central, and the trains are already pretty frequent during the rush. There's about three trains per hour during the height of the rush, roughly every 20 - 30 minutes, and every 30 minutes or so most of the day. You don't really need that much more service. It is not a subway.
Not really. That project is for Penn Station directly, not Grand Central, and the trains are already pretty frequent during the rush. There's about three trains per hour during the height of the rush, roughly every 20 - 30 minutes, and every 30 minutes or so most of the day. You don't really need that much more service. It is not a subway.
Do you understand what project I'm talking about? Where did I mention Grand Central?
Do you understand what project I'm talking about? Where did I mention Grand Central?
You can increase the amount of trains serving Riverdale, but big deal. You'll have the same ones going to Grand Central and the others going to Penn Station. They won't be making the same stops after stopping in Riverdale.
You can increase the amount of trains serving Riverdale, but big deal. You'll have the same ones going to Grand Central and the others going to Penn Station. They won't be making the same stops after stopping in Riverdale.
No, they won't be the same stops--it'll be the addition of new stops and a greater frequency of getting to midtown and its subway connections in general and the west side specifically. For a large swath of people heading to downtown or the central parts of Midtown for work, they can take either train and get a much higher frequency of service because either train would work. For others who currently go to Grand Central and then transfer to the subway to get to Midtown West, they will have a shorter commute--one that will allow some people to avoid the subway completely.
No, they won't be the same stops--it'll be the addition of new stops and a greater frequency of getting to midtown and its subway connections in general and the west side specifically. For a large swath of people heading to downtown or the central parts of Midtown for work, they can take either train and get a much higher frequency of service because either train would work. For others who currently go to Grand Central and then transfer to the subway to get to Midtown West, they will have a shorter commute--one that will allow some people to avoid the subway completely.
You're assuming that there's a great amount of people that work in Midtown West though. I don't think that's the case. It will however open up Riverdale to those that work near Penn Station or further on the West Side, but this is nothing earth shattering per se. As I said there are already two express buses serving Midtown West. It IS a form of transportation you know, even though people like you constantly harp on trains.
It's not just the part about being able to have access to the West Side via train--it's also about the increase in capacity and the number of trains that would be able to run, so Riverdale can get greater rush hour frequencies. Plus, a direct rail line from Riverdale with only 125th and 62nd street stops before 34th street is going to be significantly much, much faster than an express bus. You're talking about a service that puts Riverdale within one stop of the massive Columbia Manhattanville campus on 125th, two stops to corporate jobs at the north end of Midtown West at 62nd street, and three stops away from Penn Station and all of the jobs and rail connections over there. There's going to be a pretty massive nimby / developer fight around the station if this ever comes to pass.
Weren't people on this forum speculating that the Bronx was the next borough for gentrification? Not that Riverdale needs to gentrify on a large scale but if that project gets the green light, Riverdale is going to start looking attractive. More people will want to move there and developers will be watching this closely. It's going to be interesting to see how long current residents will be able to keep the neighborhood from changing.
i used to live in riverdale. the most profound type of racism exists there. most are either wannabe upper west siders or wannabe larchmont or mamaroneck folks who are depressed or insolent because they haven't made it to that level, which has been expected of them. they vote democratic but for all other purposes are republican-like. a jeweler just got shot in the 235th street area and the palatial homes in fieldston, etc., are taxed far less than their counterparts in, say, scarsdale or rye. although leafy and scenic, i find the area to be psychologically unsettling and even creepy. what does everyone else think?
Weren't people on this forum speculating that the Bronx was the next borough for gentrification? Not that Riverdale needs to gentrify on a large scale but if that project gets the green light, Riverdale is going to start looking attractive. More people will want to move there and developers will be watching this closely. It's going to be interesting to see how long current residents will be able to keep the neighborhood from changing.
If it were a subway coming online it would be different. This is just another Metro North option which is much more expensive than the subway. When you factor in the cost for commuting with Metro North or the express bus, it is only slightly cheaper than Manhattan in some cases, but there is some truth to what you say. I don't however expect the neighborhood to change much aside from there being less glut on the market. Riverdale consists of residents that OWN primarily, not renters. That has played a big role in why the neighborhood has remained so nice and why you see so many large buildings that aren't overrun like you see in large parts of the Bronx. They are very involved and very vocal.
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