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Old 05-14-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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He wasn't a dreamer. He was a communist.
John Lennon was a songwriter, and maybe an idealist, but he sure wasn't a communist. He was a multi-millionaire living in a 10,000 square foot apartment in Manhattan and owned and traveled among multiple luxurious homes around the world.

And even if he believed in state mandated radical redistribution of wealth, that would make him more of a hypocrite than a communist. And hypocrites lay all over the political and social spectra.
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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I was born and raised here. Nobody can, and will not tell me where to live
That's true, provided you have the money to stay where you are. If you don't, then you, too can get priced out. I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept to understand.

So, a post that would make more sense would be: "I was born and raised here AND OWN MY OWN HOME/APARTMENT. Therefore, as long as I can continue to pay the property taxes on the property that I own, no one can tell me I have to move."
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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John Lennon was a songwriter, and maybe an idealist, but he sure wasn't a communist. He was a multi-millionaire living in a 10,000 square foot apartment in Manhattan and owned and traveled among multiple luxurious homes around the world.

And even if he believed in state mandated radical redistribution of wealth, that would make him more of a hypocrite than a communist. And hypocrites lay all over the political and social spectra.
Most communists are rich-elitists who are all for it because they know it will never affect them. John Lennon was no different than Bernie Sanders or Barack Obama.
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Staten Island
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Most communists are rich-elitists who are all for it because they know it will never affect them. John Lennon was no different than Bernie Sanders or Barack Obama.
oh c'mon now. He was a little different. I liked to listen to him. The other two not so much. LOL
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:25 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Me too, don't get me wrong. I love the Beatles and all of the solo-careers that ensued other than his. "Imagine" is practically a communist manifesto.
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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That's true, provided you have the money to stay where you are. If you don't, then you, too can get priced out. I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept to understand.

So, a post that would make more sense would be: "I was born and raised here AND OWN MY OWN HOME/APARTMENT. Therefore, as long as I can continue to pay the property taxes on the property that I own, no one can tell me I have to move."
That is the fundamental concept that he/she's refusing to grasp.
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Old 05-14-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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Most communists are rich-elitists who are all for it because they know it will never affect them. John Lennon was no different than Bernie Sanders or Barack Obama.
Bernie proposed free medical for all. You as a veteran get free medical, the government paid for your undergraduate and law school, your government job is unionized and by your own admission pays and treats you much better than anything you had in the public sector.

You benefitted and lived off the work of people like Sanders. No need to be hypocritical, because you are probably the number one government client on this forum'. You've drank more from the welfare state toddays than the majority of the people here,
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:17 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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I know it makes for great debate fodder to conflate government WORK with socialism, but that's about all it is and the comparison only works on imbeciles.

Or maybe you really view veterans on the same page as says residents of federally subsidized housing, I don't know. If you do, there's really no need for me to go further. Our viewpoints are fundamentally exclusive of each other.

When welfare comes with work requirements even remotely close (like say on the same planet) to what I've met over the years, come back and shame me. Maybe then I'll feel hypocritical.
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:22 PM
 
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To be compassionate toward someone is to basically call them an idiot, and an inferior human being because if you believe in someone as a person, that's no need for you to make such an awful proposition.
Awful? Hardly. The ability to live a better life within one's means is a much better proposition that simply having people be trapped in their current circumstances. If one has the drive and talent to climb the buisness ladder (or acquire a trade) then I agree NY is a better place to be. For those who for various reasons are destined to be in low-wage jobs or if not working at all then maybe other places offer more. Even with free housing, someone whose lifeline is a 1200/mo SSI check is going to make ends stretch further somewhere else than an expensive coastal city.
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Old 05-14-2017, 06:26 PM
 
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That's true, provided you have the money to stay where you are. If you don't, then you, too can get priced out. I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept to understand.

So, a post that would make more sense would be: "I was born and raised here AND OWN MY OWN HOME/APARTMENT. Therefore, as long as I can continue to pay the property taxes on the property that I own, no one can tell me I have to move."
Sounds good to me
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