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Just what the country needs, another social worker. So she can help other armed robbers apply for welfare and just take the money risk free.
Hey genius,
As opposed to what? Another banker? Who makes a living ripping off working families with subprime mortgages? That's not theft?
Besides genius, social workers do a lot more than help people apply for welfare. Social workers treat people with mental illness and substance abuse. Social workers are necessary to clean up the mess that capitalism creates; poverty, drug abuse, mental illness, domestic violence, hunger, homelessness social worker address all of these social ills
This is absurd. The feds should pass a preemption making it an absolute right for any private organization to inquire as to whether someone they're dealing with has a criminal record, to verify such through independent means (public records check), and to allow and organization to deny dealing with the criminal if they so choose. No one should be forced to deal with criminals.
This is absurd. The feds should pass a preemption making it an absolute right for any private organization to inquire as to whether someone they're dealing with has a criminal record, to verify such through independent means (public records check), and to allow and organization to deny dealing with the criminal if they so choose. No one should be forced to deal with criminals.
The petition is asking students and alumni to pressure the university to remove the box. In short, as Columbia is in charge of their admission standards (within the context of the law) they are certainly free not to inquire if someone has a criminal record. As it is, considering the students I've mentioned, a criminal record isn't a barrier to entry anyway.
As opposed to what? Another banker? Who makes a living ripping off working families with subprime mortgages? That's not theft?
Besides genius, social workers do a lot more than help people apply for welfare. Social workers treat people with mental illness and substance abuse. Social workers are necessary to clean up the mess that capitalism creates; poverty, drug abuse, mental illness, domestic violence, hunger, homelessness social worker address all of these social ills
What do you do for a living genius?
Social workers can also refer people to medical programs/hospitals, job training, help them return to school and continue their education, etc. They also deal with child abuse, and with elder care. You're quite right in mentioning all of the important things they do. Even people who are well off under capitalism, should that become senile or otherwise disabled in old age will be dealing with social workers (or whoever has custody of them will). It's nice to hear she's doing something productive with her life.
Columbia didn't take her off the street. Someone just out of jail likely doesn't have the grades to go to Columbia. So they go to a community college where they MUST get straight As, and then they can apply to Columbia's school of general studies. Columbia's School of General Studies is for college students who did not apply or go to college straight out of high school, and yes many of these students do have very interesting stories. Some of them were in the military, others worked whatever jobs, some of them were drug addicts, etc. After they get their bachelor degrees, if they want to go to any of the graduate programs at Columbia they certainly can and many do.
Columbia College, at Columbia University is where the kids straight out of high school with very high GPAs and very high test scores go.
This is NOT a Cinderella story, it's actually pretty common at Columbia. A criminal record doesn't stop you from enrolling. I'm speaking as an alumnus.
"The School of General Studies is a liberal arts college and one of three official undergraduate colleges at Columbia University, situated on the university's main campus in Morningside Heights, New York.[2] GS is known primarily for its traditional B.A. degree program for non-traditional students (those who have had an academic break of one year or more, or are pursuing dual-degrees).[3]
GS students make up almost 30% of the Columbia undergraduate population and have been known to consistently earn the highest average GPAs among undergraduates at Columbia University.[4][5][6] Numerous GS students have gone on to win prestigious fellowships, including the Rhodes Scholarship, the Gates Cambridge Scholarship, and the Fulbright Scholarship. Since 2010 (and until 2017), GS has been the only undergraduate college at Columbia University to produce any Rhodes Scholars.[7][8][9][10]"
So the GS students at Columbia, who are OLDER, who have had interesting lives and worked, been in the military, or been locked up earn the highest GPAs at Columbia. They're more responsible due to their age and the ones who have been in prison or come from impoverished backgrounds are grateful to be there. So buddy, your number was too small, Columbia already filled 30% of it's undergraduate student body with people like her, and it's reputation is STELLAR.
Stop stretching dude, below are the admission stats from your link and the grades are students in the top 1%. So no they are not people like her which would have an average total SAT score of 800 and GPA of barely 2.0. The typical student of Columbia GS sounds like some rich suburban raise liberal arts major that can afford to and went overseas to vacation/volunteer for a year or work in the family business before going back to school. And no she didn't go to Columbia GS, instead she went to John Jay and then went to the school of social work for her grad degree. Actually she's a good candidate for that school because of her experience and without that criminal record she probably wouldn't even be considered. They probably even have some former skin heads in the program too who are also excellent candidates.
Admission to Columbia GS is highly selective and "extremely competitive."[28] Admission standards are among the highest in the nation: the SAT score range (25th-75th percentiles) for admitted students is 1330–1530 out of 1600 on the new SAT (680-770 on the Evidence-Based Reading and Writing Section and 650-760 on the Mathematics Section). The average GPA of admitted students is 3.9/4.0.[29]
Admission requires a formal application as well as submission of official SAT or ACT test scores, academic transcripts, essays, and recommendations; if the test scores are older than eight years, applicants may instead take the General Studies Admissions Examination.[30] Interviews are conducted in person and on the phone.
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Stop stretching dude, below are the admission stats from your link and the grades are students in the top 1%. So no they are not people like her which would have an average total SAT score of 800 and GPA of barely 2.0. The typical student of Columbia GS sounds like some rich suburban raise liberal arts major that can afford to and went overseas to vacation/volunteer for a year or work in the family business before going back to school. And no she didn't go to Columbia GS, instead she went to John Jay and then went to the school of social work for her grad degree. Actually she's a good candidate for that school because of her experience and without that criminal record she probably wouldn't even be considered. They probably even have some former skin heads in the program too who are also excellent candidates.
Admission to Columbia GS is highly selective and "extremely competitive."[28] Admission standards are among the highest in the nation: the SAT score range (25th-75th percentiles) for admitted students is 1330–1530 out of 1600 on the new SAT (680-770 on the Evidence-Based Reading and Writing Section and 650-760 on the Mathematics Section). The average GPA of admitted students is 3.9/4.0.[29]
Admission requires a formal application as well as submission of official SAT or ACT test scores, academic transcripts, essays, and recommendations; if the test scores are older than eight years, applicants may instead take the General Studies Admissions Examination.[30] Interviews are conducted in person and on the phone.
Hmm, I actually graduated from Columbia and can affirm that many of the students at GS are not suburban. Any of the programs at Columbia will have a variety of urban students.
The GS students are people with interrupted college educations, and many go to community colleges and then after getting As there transferred in to Columbia itself.
Many of the graduate students at Columbia did go to CUNY and then matriculated graduate schools at Columbia. The Latin king who spent 7 years in prison got his bachelor's from City before getting his masters in public health from Columbia University.
Anyone who is willing to do the work will be able to find a way to get to a top university OR do whatever else they want to do with their lives.
I realize cases like this are shocking to people here, but it's why it needed to be posted on this forum. Nothing prevents people from the ghetto or with backgrounds from working hard and making something of themselves. For some reason this offended you to your core.
One of my high school friends was a dropout from some nowhere state school in new england, spend the next 5 years getting high and working random jobs, and got into columbia last year as a business major. Not sure how he pulled that off. Maybe he knew somebody or wrote a really good essay.
One of my high school friends was a dropout from some nowhere state school in new england, spend the next 5 years getting high and working random jobs, and got into columbia last year as a business major. Not sure how he pulled that off. Maybe he knew somebody or wrote a really good essay.
He started out by having faith in himself. Believing in yourself is the first step. Then you can reach out to people to ask them what you need to do in order to get accepted. The admissions office and the departmental offices are generally friendly and will tell anyone what the admissions requirements are if you ask. They will often give you your options in meeting them.
Hmm, I actually graduated from Columbia and can affirm that many of the students at GS are not suburban. Any of the programs at Columbia will have a variety of urban students.
The GS students are people with interrupted college educations, and many go to community colleges and then after getting As there transferred in to Columbia itself.
Many of the graduate students at Columbia did go to CUNY and then matriculated graduate schools at Columbia. The Latin king who spent 7 years in prison got his bachelor's from City before getting his masters in public health from Columbia University.
Anyone who is willing to do the work will be able to find a way to get to a top university OR do whatever else they want to do with their lives.
I realize cases like this are shocking to people here, but it's why it needed to be posted on this forum. Nothing prevents people from the ghetto or with backgrounds from working hard and making something of themselves. For some reason this offended you to your core.
Of course nothing prevents people from the ghetto from succeeding. I have first hand knowledge of that because me and all my friends that grew up poor in NYC are doing alright nowadays. And while I didn't go to Columbia, I did my part time grad studies at other private school in NYC because unlike some people I had a baby to take care of after night classes and can't do a 2 hour commute from Harlem at 9pm.
As for the story you posted you're BSing too much when you try to imply that 30% of the people at Columbia are somehow comparable to this person. That is just plain vanilla BS because even the wiki page that you posted refutes that with evidence that the average student at Columbia GS had a stellar academic background prior to enrollment. Since you didn't grow up in NYC I can tell you that in most normal high schools in NYC there's probably at most one or two kids who could crack 1300/1600 on their SATs and while they're probably poor and probably Asian they are among the most nerdy in the entire school population and don't have any gang affiliations. And according to the wiki page 1330 is the bottom 25th percentile at Columbia GS. And no poor kid with 1300+ on their SATs would waste an opportunity of a lifetime by taking a year or two off from school to do god knows what. But then again maybe you were hanging out with the sub 25th percentile middle class diversity candidates so who knows.
And why is it even shocking to anyone on this forum that the poor can succeed. Some of my former NYC poor classmates with an "s" are now doctors. Anyone that grew up in NYC and went to the public schools have seen poor people succeed albeit it's usually people from a minority group that they don't feel they can relate to. So maybe from that standpoint your article has some value.
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