U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-11-2017, 02:42 PM
 
18,242 posts, read 11,645,412 times
Reputation: 11847

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by leoliu View Post
This lay off gives more room to raise the salaries of the C jobs in the city health care system.
A lot of health care CEOs pocket in over $5 million annually. That is sufficient to support around 100 billers/techs/admins. So with the help of robots, these low level workers are let go and lose their minimal living support. No wonder you see increases in the homeless population everywhere with tech advancement. Is this the right direction for an advanced society to move in?


Have news for you, just as with any other business those "C" employees (billing, tech, administration) are the jobs that are and should be cut in healthcare. Particurally in HHC hospitals which still have not "gone lean"..


A vast amount of such work can and is being done via technology. As such you don't need a huge billing department when just several, a few or even one person can do said work. This of course means having a better quality/educated work force. That is the other sticking post for HHC.


No small number of municipal jobs are nothing more than a public works program for the city's public education system. You have scores of jobs that require nothing more than a basic high school education and are mostly clerical or secretarial. Such jobs are "protected" come with a pension and in theory could either be privatized and or at least the description changed to get more productivity out of fewer workers. But that would mean going toe to toe with the municipal unions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-11-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
7,548 posts, read 2,685,297 times
Reputation: 2819
Quote:
Originally Posted by BugsyPal View Post
Have news for you, just as with any other business those "C" employees (billing, tech, administration) are the jobs that are and should be cut in healthcare. Particurally in HHC hospitals which still have not "gone lean"..


A vast amount of such work can and is being done via technology. As such you don't need a huge billing department when just several, a few or even one person can do said work. This of course means having a better quality/educated work force. That is the other sticking post for HHC.


No small number of municipal jobs are nothing more than a public works program for the city's public education system. You have scores of jobs that require nothing more than a basic high school education and are mostly clerical or secretarial. Such jobs are "protected" come with a pension and in theory could either be privatized and or at least the description changed to get more productivity out of fewer workers. But that would mean going toe to toe with the municipal unions.
Just come out and say it Bugsypal:

"Am tired of seeing overpaid under educated workers"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 03:06 PM
 
18,242 posts, read 11,645,412 times
Reputation: 11847
Quote:
Originally Posted by pierrepont7731 View Post
Just come out and say it Bugsypal:

"Am tired of seeing overpaid under educated workers"
Hey, if it works in the private sector......


Our company went "lean" years ago so have so many others. Days of getting a job with just a high school diploma and perhaps a degree from a "secretarial school or course" are over. All the administrative assistants at our place and every where I know of have four year college degrees, and have a huge job description. They also work for more than one person. You have to be pretty high up the food chain today to get your own private secretary/assistant. Even the gofer/mail room guys have four year degrees...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 03:17 PM
 
23,247 posts, read 16,049,776 times
Reputation: 8529
Quote:
Originally Posted by BugsyPal View Post
Hey, if it works in the private sector......


Our company went "lean" years ago so have so many others. Days of getting a job with just a high school diploma and perhaps a degree from a "secretarial school or course" are over. All the administrative assistants at our place and every where I know of have four year college degrees, and have a huge job description. They also work for more than one person. You have to be pretty high up the food chain today to get your own private secretary/assistant. Even the gofer/mail room guys have four year degrees...
You're correct. Once desktop PCs became common, eventually it got to the point where everyone in the company knew how to use a PC. Armies of secretaries who could type weren't needed, so the got rid of most of them and administrative assistants generally assist a group of people. Executive assistants personally assist those high up the food chain.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 03:24 PM
 
23,247 posts, read 16,049,776 times
Reputation: 8529
Quote:
Originally Posted by BugsyPal View Post
Have news for you, just as with any other business those "C" employees (billing, tech, administration) are the jobs that are and should be cut in healthcare. Particurally in HHC hospitals which still have not "gone lean"..


A vast amount of such work can and is being done via technology. As such you don't need a huge billing department when just several, a few or even one person can do said work. This of course means having a better quality/educated work force. That is the other sticking post for HHC.


No small number of municipal jobs are nothing more than a public works program for the city's public education system. You have scores of jobs that require nothing more than a basic high school education and are mostly clerical or secretarial. Such jobs are "protected" come with a pension and in theory could either be privatized and or at least the description changed to get more productivity out of fewer workers. But that would mean going toe to toe with the municipal unions.
Even with the unions they've eliminated many of these positions. Once used to have to apply in person for unemployment. Now one does it over the internet. If one needs to update one's driver's license or order a new copy, that can be done over the internet as well. Billing, tech, and administration jobs have indeed been eliminated in the public sector and continue to be eliminated as the situation with the city hospitals demonstrates. In the case of the city hospitals, with them losing many patients and also government funding to do the medicaid expansion and other aspects of ACA, they are forced to reduce costs to deal with their remaining patients.

The public sector AND the private sector don't just lay off people, as certain jobs contract, others expand. The city for example hired new people for de Blasio's city ID. Money the city and state save on administration can go to infrastructure/transit, addiction treatment, education, etc. As the number of taxicabs do down, the number of people driving cars for Uber and Lyft have gone up.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 05:54 PM
 
9,882 posts, read 7,676,937 times
Reputation: 4673
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese View Post
Automation and less grant money coming from Mr. Trump will only hurt more Civil Administrative aid workers in the knee.
I think you're missing the biggest culprit of them all, Obamacare. Its unfundable. That dude wasn't very good at math.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 06:11 PM
 
18,242 posts, read 11,645,412 times
Reputation: 11847
Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Dale View Post
I think you're missing the biggest culprit of them all, Obamacare. Its unfundable. That dude wasn't very good at math.

No, that is not remotely true, sorry but it must be said.


If GOP and others had not fought the taxes (including that on medical devices), and individual mandate the ACA would have stood a fighting chance. As for funding Congress gave the Obama administration less than one-third of funds requested for the health exchange scheme. It was GOP playbook 101; let's starve something we don't like of funds until it dies.


Am so happy many of you think Obamacare was "bad" but what Ryan and GOP have cooked up is much better. You all are going to get what is coming to you, and in spades. Once republicans and His Orangeness has their way things will go right back to pre-ACA days only worse. So unless you have millions *and* a gold plated health insurance scheme for life, better start taking those vitamins, exercising and whatever to stay in good health. Don't think about getting in a family way and or pray your child is born healthy and remains so. Over sixty-five or unemployed? Better hope there is room in Bellevue, Kings County or one of the other HHC hospitals, because the private ones won't touch you with a barge pole. If by chance you do get unless truly indigent (by that we mean you have *NO* assets), those places will sue you into the ground (or bankruptcy) to get their money.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 07:55 PM
 
23,247 posts, read 16,049,776 times
Reputation: 8529
Quote:
Originally Posted by BugsyPal View Post
No, that is not remotely true, sorry but it must be said.


If GOP and others had not fought the taxes (including that on medical devices), and individual mandate the ACA would have stood a fighting chance. As for funding Congress gave the Obama administration less than one-third of funds requested for the health exchange scheme. It was GOP playbook 101; let's starve something we don't like of funds until it dies.


Am so happy many of you think Obamacare was "bad" but what Ryan and GOP have cooked up is much better. You all are going to get what is coming to you, and in spades. Once republicans and His Orangeness has their way things will go right back to pre-ACA days only worse. So unless you have millions *and* a gold plated health insurance scheme for life, better start taking those vitamins, exercising and whatever to stay in good health. Don't think about getting in a family way and or pray your child is born healthy and remains so. Over sixty-five or unemployed? Better hope there is room in Bellevue, Kings County or one of the other HHC hospitals, because the private ones won't touch you with a barge pole. If by chance you do get unless truly indigent (by that we mean you have *NO* assets), those places will sue you into the ground (or bankruptcy) to get their money.
Well said. Of course his orangeness now has substantial other problems on his mind, such as major investigations.

Medical care is extremely expensive and can easily wipe out one's life savings, as well as ability to earn income. A social safety net is needed by all.

Last edited by NyWriterdude; 05-11-2017 at 08:32 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 08:38 PM
 
3,333 posts, read 3,280,911 times
Reputation: 2834
Quote:
Originally Posted by leoliu View Post
This lay off gives more room to raise the salaries of the C jobs in the city health care system.
A lot of health care CEOs pocket in over $5 million annually. That is sufficient to support around 100 billers/techs/admins. So with the help of robots, these low level workers are let go and lose their minimal living support. No wonder you see increases in the homeless population everywhere with tech advancement. Is this the right direction for an advanced society to move in?
GTFO you fake conservative.

How does it help society to have fat, lazy, and unmotivated workers doing nearly nothing all day and sucking the taxpayers dry?

"Make Work" isn't an economic solution. It surely is a political one but isn't that a libruuul agenda?

Low level do-nothing workers are worse than fat cat CEO's.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-11-2017, 08:58 PM
 
9,882 posts, read 7,676,937 times
Reputation: 4673
Quote:
Originally Posted by BugsyPal View Post
No, that is not remotely true, sorry but it must be said.


If GOP and others had not fought the taxes (including that on medical devices), and individual mandate the ACA would have stood a fighting chance. As for funding Congress gave the Obama administration less than one-third of funds requested for the health exchange scheme. It was GOP playbook 101; let's starve something we don't like of funds until it dies.


Am so happy many of you think Obamacare was "bad" but what Ryan and GOP have cooked up is much better. You all are going to get what is coming to you, and in spades. Once republicans and His Orangeness has their way things will go right back to pre-ACA days only worse. So unless you have millions *and* a gold plated health insurance scheme for life, better start taking those vitamins, exercising and whatever to stay in good health. Don't think about getting in a family way and or pray your child is born healthy and remains so. Over sixty-five or unemployed? Better hope there is room in Bellevue, Kings County or one of the other HHC hospitals, because the private ones won't touch you with a barge pole. If by chance you do get unless truly indigent (by that we mean you have *NO* assets), those places will sue you into the ground (or bankruptcy) to get their money.
Give them money. Now they can't.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:



Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top