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Old 05-18-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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The greatest country in the world doesn't think healthcare is a right.

Makes not a lick of sense.

The only way we move to a single payer system is if the GOP and greedy insurance companies fall off the face of the earth.

It's not happening
So the greatest country in the World doesn't think healthcare is a right, but the non-greatest countries in the World think healthcare is a right.

Makes not a lick of sense.

Why don't more US citizens immigrate to other countries? Sounds like they rather make their country more like these other countries that they do not want to move to.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Why is there a cap on the Federal Insurance Contribution (FICA) tax? | Investopedia


Because the rich don't like to pay taxes and their money buys enough political clout so they don't have to.
I say tax the rich. But taxing non-participants to fund an insolvent programme will only lead to inflation of the necessary funding to keep the scheme going.

If we're going to tax the rich then we should just take the money and hand it straight to the poor without dropping the change in this pocket and that pocket.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Why don't more US citizens immigrate to other countries? Sounds like they rather make their country more like these other countries that they do not want to move to.

Because they don't want us unless we bring $millions into their country.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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I say tax the rich.

If we're going to tax the rich then we should just take the money and hand it straight to the poor without dropping the change in this pocket and that pocket.

I must agree. Perhaps the best direct transfer would be to guarantee each household a guaranteed minimum income.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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Because they don't want us unless we bring $millions into their country.
Have you tried moving there illegally? People do it all the time, at least in our country.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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Have you tried moving there illegally? People do it all the time, at least in our country.

I prefer to do things legally, most people do.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:22 AM
 
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I must agree. Perhaps the best direct transfer would be to guarantee each household a guaranteed minimum income.
This almost seems like a necessary stop along the path towards doing away with fiat currency in it's entirely if you think about it. Money is really just a placeholder for stored energy (i.e.; "petro-dollars"). By giving everybody an allowance or basic income you're really just giving them an allowance of energy to subsist on. It has to be enough to keep people from starving but not so much that it would totally erase the desire to work for a living to better yourself. Would be interesting to see what real world effects this would have. Poor and working class people basically spend all of their money so it would just get dumped right back into the local economy. On the other hand, consumer prices would rise since demand would be as well.

This is basically the liberal utopia. The Ayn Rand conservative utopia is basically "make yourself useful or die" and Social Darwinism. Theoretically both could work if everybody agrees they work....that is the part that will never happen.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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I must agree. Perhaps the best direct transfer would be to guarantee each household a guaranteed minimum income.
Absolutely, my fellow conservative. It'll be a much more efficient way to operate society. Of course the liberal politicians would come out hard against it by commissioning bias economic studies on how it would spur inflation. That inflation myth is all BS. Government directly creates inflation for obvious reason.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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This almost seems like a necessary stop along the path towards doing away with fiat currency in it's entirely if you think about it. Money is really just a placeholder for stored energy (i.e.; "petro-dollars"). By giving everybody an allowance or basic income you're really just giving them an allowance of energy to subsist on. It has to be enough to keep people from starving but not so much that it would totally erase the desire to work for a living to better yourself. Would be interesting to see what real world effects this would have. Poor and working class people basically spend all of their money so it would just get dumped right back into the local economy. On the other hand, consumer prices would rise since demand would be as well.

This is basically the liberal utopia. The Ayn Rand conservative utopia is basically "make yourself useful or die" and Social Darwinism. Theoretically both could work if everybody agrees they work....that is the part that will never happen.
I disagree that it is liberal utopia. It is a conservative approach that limits central government interaction in everyones daily lives. And ultimately if richer people are basically paying the poor it produces a direct relationship for one to embetter the other.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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Because they don't want us unless we bring $millions into their country.
Not true. You do have to prove financial solvency (ie, you have a job lined up that will sponsor you, you're going to be a student in that country, or you have sufficient retirement income and savings).
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