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Old 05-11-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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I hired a painter to paint my pre-war 1 bedroom apartment and add new baseboards. It will require stripping, plastering, and skim-coating some/many of the walls.
The painter quoted me a price of $6500 for all of the work, including materials, and had me give him a deposit of 40%.
He plans to start in a week.

Now I talked to him on the phone and he informed me that we have to pay for the paint; he will not supply the paint.

I assumed that "including materials" means including paint.
I feel he did not inform me in advance that I would have to pay for the paint.

Is this normal?
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Old 05-11-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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Did he provide you with a proposal? I had my own pre-war 1 bedroom painted 8 years ago, and the proposal stated that the cost included labor and materials, but NOT paint (so maybe this is a standard way painters operate).

In any case, if no written proposal was provided, it seems like a jerk move to not clearly inform you in advance that you would be responsible for buying the paint.

Can you get your deposit back?
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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Paint is a material, just like baseboard.
I hope you have this in writing.


What you CAN do, is buy the paint and when he finishes and comes to you for the remaining 60%, just deduct the cost of the paint from what you give him.


Rose, did you buy an apartment? At market or "affordable?"
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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Paint is a material, just like baseboard.
I hope you have this in writing.


What you CAN do, is buy the paint and when he finishes and comes to you for the remaining 60%, just deduct the cost of the paint from what you give him.


Rose, did you buy an apartment? At market or "affordable?"
Bought. Market rate.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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Did he provide you with a proposal? I had my own pre-war 1 bedroom painted 8 years ago, and the proposal stated that the cost included labor and materials, but NOT paint (so maybe this is a standard way painters operate).

In any case, if no written proposal was provided, it seems like a jerk move to not clearly inform you in advance that you would be responsible for buying the paint.

Can you get your deposit back?
Proposal and contract was provided. Not sure if it states in there if it includes paint or not.

In any case, I gave him a post-dated check. I can simply cancel the check if I want to get my deposit back.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:59 PM
 
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Proposal and contract was provided. Not sure if it states in there if it includes paint or not.

In any case, I gave him a post-dated check. I can simply cancel the check if I want to get my deposit back.
Looks like you got him my the balls.
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Old 05-11-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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Paint is a material, just like baseboard.
I hope you have this in writing.


What you CAN do, is buy the paint and when he finishes and comes to you for the remaining 60%, just deduct the cost of the paint from what you give him.


Rose, did you buy an apartment? At market or "affordable?"

Would have to be "affordable", for that matter "older" because virtually no one builds residential multi-family housing anymore using plaster and lath walls.


Post WWII housing boom saw the increase and now near total domination of drywall over plaster. Not only is the former faster but any idiot can be trained to hang drywall (how well it will be done is another matter).


Plastering is an art, and increasingly fewer and fewer persons know how to do it properly, that and the best are not cheap by any means.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:28 PM
 
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Would have to be "affordable", for that matter "older" because virtually no one builds residential multi-family housing anymore using plaster and lath walls.


Post WWII housing boom saw the increase and now near total domination of drywall over plaster. Not only is the former faster but any idiot can be trained to hang drywall (how well it will be done is another matter).


Plastering is an art, and increasingly fewer and fewer persons know how to do it properly, that and the best are not cheap by any means.
Pre-war/older apartments tend to be more desirable/more expensive than new construction actually.
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:57 PM
 
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Would have to be "affordable", for that matter "older" because virtually no one builds residential multi-family housing anymore using plaster and lath walls.


Post WWII housing boom saw the increase and now near total domination of drywall over plaster. Not only is the former faster but any idiot can be trained to hang drywall (how well it will be done is another matter).


Plastering is an art, and increasingly fewer and fewer persons know how to do it properly, that and the best are not cheap by any means.
Ah but on the higher end construction you plaster over the blueboard. So there are still plenty of plasterers out there although very few know how to plaster lath walls from the bare bones.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:31 PM
 
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Proposal and contract was provided. Not sure if it states in there if it includes paint or not.

In any case, I gave him a post-dated check. I can simply cancel the check if I want to get my deposit back.
posted dated checks can be cashed before the date.
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