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Old 07-07-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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The only way to fix this is to go back to how the Founders correctly (for the time) created our system: no stake in the game, no vote.

Modern times are different so we couldn't base this off of land ownership, but a simple solution would be to deny the "right" to vote to anyone who does not show a tax return of some sort with income from an actual job.

Absent that, their existence is simply to leech from others, and they should not have the ability to vote for government that promotes such lifestyles.
Your simple solution means that a lot of elderly, sick people, and mothers (and others) who work many hours at home for no pay are leeches who should be disenfranchised. Does that make sense to you?
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Staten Island
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When you pay some people to just sit on their butt that's exactly what they will do. It takes away the incentive to go out and earn a living and improve your situation. Not all mind you but many.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Your simple solution means that a lot of elderly, sick people, and mothers (and others) who work many hours at home for no pay are leeches who should be disenfranchised. Does that make sense to you?
Certain exceptions would apply if I had my way, but I do expect many would be unhappy as they could no longer vote to spend other people's money.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Alexander Archipelago
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Mark Zuckerberg promotes the idea of Universal basic income , saying that government should give everybody free money
Zuckerberg, along with Gates, Musk and others, are promoting the idea. The subject recently came up in the Alaska forum, where most people are bad mouthing Zuckerberg for comparing Alaska's Subsistence and Permanent Fund programs to this.

I've heard Ontario, Canada will be experimenting with it this year, along with some African nation (?)

As previously mentioned, Hawaii passed a bill to study the concept- not jump into it.
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Old 07-07-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: New York City
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UBI = wealth redistribution

It's fundamentally socialist and will never fly in the Mecca of capitalism.
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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I've fundementally always believed in UBI even before the idea was mentioned and a name put to identify it.

To me the system we live in is an unnecessary slavery system which a lot of people have died from that shouldn't have. No one person, group or company can own the earth's resources when it belongs to all it's people. The wealth they accumulate should be distributed to all the people of that land.

Technology is advancing enough that we don't need to do many things anymore. We'll still do things but we'll be free to pursue where our hearts lead us instead.

The truth is we've had the technology for some time to do this. Nearly 100 years now, but it's been kept from the general population.

Energy will become free. Everyone will have a place to live. No one will have to work but can if they want to. The work will be different. Education won't cost anything. All debts will be reset to zero. There's a lot more that I've seen but I know it's hard to imagine now. People fear change and what they don't understand.

These are core things that I've understood since I was very little, in the single digits age range. It's not supposed to be like it is now. That was supposed to be over and done with already. I know I'm not the only one like me that gets it and what's coming. There are many others now, too.
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Old 07-07-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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Some kind of UBI is guaranteed due to the conditions of mass technologically driven unemployment we are approaching.

Elites learned in the 1930s that that level of unemployment creates chaotic conditions and politics that affect profits.

It will be at the minimum level needed to sustain life, however.
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Old 07-07-2017, 03:43 PM
 
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Also, the good point of Universal basic income idea is that it's would reduce or eliminate governent bureaucracy /unemployment and welfare/ and spur creativity and meaningful work.
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Old 07-07-2017, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Originally Posted by Merry Lee Gather View Post
I've fundementally always believed in UBI even before the idea was mentioned and a name put to identify it.

To me the system we live in is an unnecessary slavery system which a lot of people have died from that shouldn't have. No one person, group or company can own the earth's resources when it belongs to all it's people. The wealth they accumulate should be distributed to all the people of that land.

Technology is advancing enough that we don't need to do many things anymore. We'll still do things but we'll be free to pursue where our hearts lead us instead.

The truth is we've had the technology for some time to do this. Nearly 100 years now, but it's been kept from the general population.

Energy will become free. Everyone will have a place to live. No one will have to work but can if they want to. The work will be different. Education won't cost anything. All debts will be reset to zero. There's a lot more that I've seen but I know it's hard to imagine now. People fear change and what they don't understand.

These are core things that I've understood since I was very little, in the single digits age range. It's not supposed to be like it is now. That was supposed to be over and done with already. I know I'm not the only one like me that gets it and what's coming. There are many others now, too.
Who do you buy from? I need some of what you're smoking.
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Old 07-07-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Merry Lee Gather View Post
I've fundementally always believed in UBI even before the idea was mentioned and a name put to identify it.

To me the system we live in is an unnecessary slavery system which a lot of people have died from that shouldn't have. No one person, group or company can own the earth's resources when it belongs to all it's people. The wealth they accumulate should be distributed to all the people of that land.

Technology is advancing enough that we don't need to do many things anymore. We'll still do things but we'll be free to pursue where our hearts lead us instead.

The truth is we've had the technology for some time to do this. Nearly 100 years now, but it's been kept from the general population.

Energy will become free. Everyone will have a place to live. No one will have to work but can if they want to. The work will be different. Education won't cost anything. All debts will be reset to zero. There's a lot more that I've seen but I know it's hard to imagine now. People fear change and what they don't understand.

These are core things that I've understood since I was very little, in the single digits age range. It's not supposed to be like it is now. That was supposed to be over and done with already. I know I'm not the only one like me that gets it and what's coming. There are many others now, too.
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