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Old 07-08-2017, 09:08 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Half of me wishes they'd collapse just to watch the ensuing chaos. (Not while anybody was in there of course).

Since the govt will be involved in this one you can rest assured it will take 3x longer and cost 3x as much compared to if one of the major freight RR's tackled it. Maybe 5x. Of course that's neither here nor there. CSX doesn't give a crap about passenger trains taking people to their offices in Manhattan.
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:12 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a proposal to build an extra tunnel over the Hudson, which had to be signed off by the governors of the two states! Cuomo signed it! Christie vetoed it! Then came Sandy! And here we are.....!
Actually there have been ideas thrown around about building a "super bridge" over the Hudson and East Rivers. Never happen but an interesting idea nonetheless.
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Old 07-08-2017, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Midtown
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Half of me wishes they'd collapse just to watch the ensuing chaos. (Not while anybody was in there of course).
The chance of collapse is very remote as these tunnels were dug in study bedrock. The likely failures would be crumbling interior wall segments and water leaks leading to serious signal/power failures.
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Old 07-08-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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They should just shut it down and renovate it then just like they are planning to do with the L train if I'm not mistaken, and just like they did with the R train. People will kick and scream like a baby that lost it's pacifier but, who cares. There are other ways for New Jerseyiziians to get to their desks in Manhattan every day while it's down.
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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They should just shut it down and renovate it then just like they are planning to do with the L train if I'm not mistaken, and just like they did with the R train. People will kick and scream like a baby that lost it's pacifier but, who cares. There are other ways for New Jerseyiziians to get to their desks in Manhattan every day while it's down.

You cannot just "shut down" the Hudson River tunnels. Aside from Amtrak NJT shoves huge numbers of trains through those portals daily, and there isn't any other alternative for either.


Maybe over seventy years or so ago when the other railroads that served New Jersey had docks/ferries and west side of Hudson was lined with piers something *might* work out.
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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I'm sure they won't but otherwise nonsense. They could if they really needed to. The bureaucrats and politicians want to keep their jobs so maybe in a decade we'll have an overpriced not-nearly-good-enough solution to this one. Maybe.
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I'm sure they won't but otherwise nonsense. They could if they really needed to. The bureaucrats and politicians want to keep their jobs so maybe in a decade we'll have an overpriced not-nearly-good-enough solution to this one. Maybe.
Shutting it down and renovating would only be a short term fix. The idea is to build new tunnels, then renovate the old ones and end up with double the capacity (which is needed).
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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I'm sure they won't but otherwise nonsense. They could if they really needed to. The bureaucrats and politicians want to keep their jobs so maybe in a decade we'll have an overpriced not-nearly-good-enough solution to this one. Maybe.


What likely will happen is what often does; a major incident will occur linked to those aging tunnels, and then that will light a fire under everyone's behinds.


Those tunnels are literally rotting away as damage from age, use and the waters from super storm Sandy are taking a toll. The latter poured hundreds of gallons of brackish water that has never totally drained out of system. It cannot because the design of drains and such were conceived/built nearly one hundred years ago and not only cannot cope, but in places deep down are clogged with decades of filth.
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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NYC needs to issue billions of dollars of 30-100 year bonds ASAP to lock in low interest rates and pay for this project. The city is literally doomed if we can't fix the infrastructure!
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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I flipped through the EIS for the project. The entire thing (building the new tunnel and rehabbing the old ones) won't be done until 2030. That's the current projection. Anyone think it'll actually be done before 2040?
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