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This is what I & many others are very tired of these days. And why many voted the way they did. People with all sorts of freebies on public assistance having everything paid for them via taxpayer dollars making all sorts of demands & trouble for landlords. And they call landlords slumlords. From my experience from our years as a landlord. They are far more slum-tenants than there are slumlords these days.
Entitled people never seem to be happy no matter how much is handed to them on a silver platter. These people are the ones that always give landlords more trouble. That is what they do when they have too much time on their hands.
I for one am kind of happy our friends decided this morning to pull the plug on entertaining someone on a program for this one rental they put aside. They were considering giving someone a chance in life to live in an area they never would have been able to afford otherwise. In a very nice legal apt in a single family home in a great school district.
But running background & credit checks on about 20 prospective tenants & seeing what they saw for all of them they realized they were taking rental out of the OK for someone on a program equation. As it was too big a risk. We found these are the very people that LIE to landlords about certain things that are usually what gets them denied in the past. Like saying they have no pets. Saying they don't smoke.
And one of the biggest of them all. Lying about who will live in rental. They lie on government papers & don't include certain people who will be members of the household with rental. Because they know they would have to include those peoples incomes as well. Which might put them over the income threshold for their freebie benefits. These freebies & benefits are meant to be temporary help to get people back on their feet & fend for themselves. But it seems that never happens. Once people are on public assistance they seem to stay on it forever. I understand there are some people that have no choice. Like our elderly & disabled. As well as our Veterans.
But sorry. NOT for people who have kids they can't afford so they need all sorts of public assistance. From Food Stamps to Free Housing. To cash benefits...to Medicaid. Then they go ahead & produce even MORE kids to drain our system even more.
Give me free this. Give me free that. When does it ever end? Never. Hopefully this government waste will stop soon enough.
I agree with much of what you said.
However, in terms of programs for "affordable housing": NYC is so crazy expensive that unless you are upper middle class you can't afford a market rate apartment anywhere in the city.
What are working class people supposed to do?
Not to mention people earning a low income.
Many of the people on Section 8 are working.
Many people living in projects are working as well.
But maybe you can strong-arm a larger apartment building landlord, if it's illegal not to take the programs?
People who make a low income can get free legal representation via Legal Aid.
Definitely you can string arm a larger landlord. Look at those lawsuits I posted. Larger landlords have deeper pockets and lawyers are more interested in the case.
However, in terms of programs for "affordable housing": NYC is so crazy expensive that unless you are upper middle class you can't afford a market rate apartment anywhere in the city.
What are working class people supposed to do?
Not to mention people earning a low income.
Many of the people on Section 8 are working.
Many people living in projects are working as well.
The OP is on disability. So it's been determined she can't work. Also retirees on social security income alone are low income.
But that's neither here nor there. She's now been made aware discriminating on the basis of rental income is illegal and she will do what needs to be done.
You're right about only upper middle class people being able to afford apartments. Everyone else either has housing subsidies of some sort, or are doing illegal sublets.
This is what I & many others are very tired of these days. And why many voted the way they did. People with all sorts of freebies on public assistance having everything paid for them via taxpayer dollars making all sorts of demands & trouble for landlords. And they call landlords slumlords. From my experience from our years as a landlord. They are far more slum-tenants than there are slumlords these days.
Entitled people never seem to be happy no matter how much is handed to them on a silver platter. These people are the ones that always give landlords more trouble. That is what they do when they have too much time on their hands.
I for one am kind of happy our friends decided this morning to pull the plug on entertaining someone on a program for this one rental they put aside. They were considering giving someone a chance in life to live in an area they never would have been able to afford otherwise. In a very nice legal apt in a single family home in a great school district.
But running background & credit checks on about 20 prospective tenants & seeing what they saw for all of them they realized they were taking rental out of the OK for someone on a program equation. As it was too big a risk. We found these are the very people that LIE to landlords about certain things that are usually what gets them denied in the past. Like saying they have no pets. Saying they don't smoke.
And one of the biggest of them all. Lying about who will live in rental. They lie on government papers & don't include certain people who will be members of the household with rental. Because they know they would have to include those peoples incomes as well. Which might put them over the income threshold for their freebie benefits. These freebies & benefits are meant to be temporary help to get people back on their feet & fend for themselves. But it seems that never happens. Once people are on public assistance they seem to stay on it forever. I understand there are some people that have no choice. Like our elderly & disabled. As well as our Veterans.
But sorry. NOT for people who have kids they can't afford so they need all sorts of public assistance. From Food Stamps to Free Housing. To cash benefits...to Medicaid. Then they go ahead & produce even MORE kids to drain our system even more.
Give me free this. Give me free that. When does it ever end? Never. Hopefully this government waste will stop soon enough.
I am not taking "freebies". I worked for 26 years before I became disabled. I paid into the Social Security Disability that I am currently collecting. I paid NY State taxes as well as Federal taxes for that entire length of time. Everything I am collecting I paid into for decades.
As far as people staying on PA "forever" in NYC you are eligible for cash assistance and rental assistance for a maximum of 5 years in your life time. AND you have to pay it back if you come into any amount of money. When I finally won my disability case, I got a lump sum of retroactive benefits. NYC HRA deducted close to $8,000 from that sum to recoup the benefits I was collecting while waiting for my SSD to be approved.
Do you really want to start of a relationship with a possible future landlord by threatening them & saying it is illegal for you to say no? That will never end well for you at all. Did this program give you all the paperwork at all with guidelines on how to look for a rental? And what to say to a prospective landlord? Because Department of Social Services here on LI does give out pointers for people. And they do tell them to just ask the landlord if they are willing to accept their program & explain how it works. They tell you if a landlord says no just move on to the next. As saying the wrong thing will hurt you in the long run as landlords & even realtors do talk.
Basically they say if they say no do not get angry or upset & argue. And that there is no point in being nasty or rude to them as you will never meet them probably. And if they talk to other landlords/brokers that do take programs they will many times pass your name on to them. Telling them not to take you. Thus you might end up burning a possible contact.
Why should I be bullied by such a corrupt system as the NYC Real Estate Agencies? If I interview for an apartment and have means to pay the rent, if the landlord turns me down and it turns out it is illegal, I now know that I can report them. It doesn't have to be a lawsuit.
Should I allow a loandlord to break the law at the risk of being "blacklisted"? If someone reports them then maybe the next tenant that comes along will have an easier time. People are too afraid of landlords and realtors. The system is corrupt because tenants pay the realtor but the realtor actually works for the landlord. If I hire someone to find me an apartment, in the best case scenario they will and should work for me and have my best interests at heart.
It really tells you how screwed up Realtors are when I'm forced to go on Reddit and this board to try and find a realtor who will help me.
Why should I be bullied by such a corrupt system as the NYC Real Estate Agencies? If I interview for an apartment and have means to pay the rent, if the landlord turns me down and it turns out it is illegal, I now know that I can report them. It doesn't have to be a lawsuit.
Should I allow a loandlord to break the law at the risk of being "blacklisted"? If someone reports them then maybe the next tenant that comes along will have an easier time. People are too afraid of landlords and realtors. The system is corrupt because tenants pay the realtor but the realtor actually works for the landlord. If I hire someone to find me an apartment, in the best case scenario they will and should work for me and have my best interests at heart.
It really tells you how screwed up Realtors are when I'm forced to go on Reddit and this board to try and find a realtor who will help me.
Yes, report them. But if a case arises and you do have grounds to sue, sue. It depends on the evidence you have and whether there are sufficient damages.
However, in terms of programs for "affordable housing": NYC is so crazy expensive that unless you are upper middle class you can't afford a market rate apartment anywhere in the city.
What are working class people supposed to do?
Not to mention people earning a low income.
Many of the people on Section 8 are working.
Many people living in projects are working as well.
You realize what is driving this crazy expensiveness, right? And it ain't the landlords or the tenants.
LOL at free legal representation. Too funny. These recent grads from 3rd tier law schools aren't working pro-bono. They have lots of debt.
Yes, and they have been renting out to her for years. Her problem is now she is trying to move into an apartment owned by larger landlords. Larger landlords have more money and it's easier to get a lawyer to take them on, if the legal violations and the damages are enough.
Making someone go homeless when they have the ability to pay rent can be considered major damages. Btw, Kegal Aid wins against landlords often enough.
Yes, and they have been renting out to her for years. Her problem is now she is trying to move into an apartment owned by larger landlords. Larger landlords have more money and it's easier to get a lawyer to take them on, if the legal violations and the damages are enough.
Making someone go homeless when they have the ability to pay rent can be considered major damages. Btw, Kegal Aid wins against landlords often enough.
For the most part (not necessarily in the OPs situation) all Legal Aid can do is delay the inevitable. They bleed money for the city and its taxpayers. For a real and sustainable outcome, its best the OP seek real legal advice. Unfortunately she will either need funding, or a case that has a profile or profit potential.
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