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Old 07-18-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Regarding gun ownership stats, there are so many more guns in white neighborhoods than black neighborhoods. That is going off of licensing. Maybe encourage more legal gun ownership to black neighborhoods. If you remove the factory manufacturing of guns, people will simply make them at home.
Well, NYC does have fairly restrictive gun laws. You'd have to change laws in NYC regarding gun ownership for that.

 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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On a national or global basis, of course there are Black neighborhoods that are safer than white neighborhoods. At times parts of Eastern Europe in the past 30 years have been extremely war torn and have had mortality rates higher than anything in the United States, even in the hood.

Reparations were paid out. Just not to former slaves. They were paid to the slave owners. Not just English colonies, but the French forced Haiti to pay them 150 million dollars for depriving the French of Haiti's slave labor force. In short, white people got the reparations.

High numbers of people who were arrested and incarcerated where not at all violent criminals, many did time simply for drug possession. So in short, people are arrested for doing what they can to make a living (beyond working in McDonalds) and they are locked up for that. It's a way of persecuting people. Of course now that the opiod epidemic is so big outside of "inner" cities and in predominately white people, now the political system has a different tone on substance abuse.
Common man, this is the NYC forum. Not the UN Security Council.

That means reparations weren't legally paid out. Its been paid out through welfare programs. Convert the welfare into cash. Its a lot of money.

Crack is Whack was a large campaign in the '80s, and it hardly went beyond the reaches of the inner city.
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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Plenty? In NYC? Am here to tell you four or five areas isn't *plenty*. If we listed all of the white areas vs the black ones, with low crime, would be a landslide. If Canarsie was so *safe*, wouldn't have experienced white flight.
Look at the crime map. Canarsie is mostly green (the safest).

(Maybe you just think of it as not safe because it's mostly black people living there?? )
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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Well, NYC does have fairly restrictive gun laws. You'd have to change laws in NYC regarding gun ownership for that.
Not happening the way you've been programmed to vote.
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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Common man, this is the NYC forum. Not the UN Security Council.

That means reparations weren't legally paid out. Its been paid out through welfare programs. Convert the welfare into cash. Its a lot of money.

Crack is Whack was a large campaign in the '80s, and it hardly went beyond the reaches of the inner city.
When reparations were paid, they were legally paid to the slave owners/whites.

https://newsone.com/3012856/did-you-...-slave-owners/

This is just the US, but it happened in the Caribbean as well.
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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Look at the crime map. Canarsie is mostly green (the safest).

(Maybe you just think of it as not safe because it's mostly black people living there?? )
No, am just telling it like it is. People with economic means don't just flee a neighborhood unless it goes to pot. Look at Howard Beach. Much cleaner than Canarsie.
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:18 PM
 
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I agree that reparations should have been paid, and should still be paid.
America has not taken responsibility for its history (unlike a country like Germany, for example, which did and still does pay reparations).
I also have mixed feelings about some/many of the welfare programs, although this has nothing to do with race or racism: it should be noted that most welfare recipients are white.

Again, there are plenty of black neighborhoods that have lower crime rates than white neighborhoods.
Rosedale, Laurelton, St. Albans, Flatlands, most of Canarsie have a lower crime rate than many white neighborhoods.
What's the Jewish population in Germany these days?

You named the black neighborhoods, but what white neighborhoods are you comparing them to?
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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Not happening the way you've been programmed to vote.
It didn't happen under Giuliani or Bloomberg, neither of whom would have wanted NYC's more masses to be well armed.

And I'm not aware of a libertarian candidate who has run for office in NYC.

If a candidate ran on a drug legalization platform, and he also wanted to change NYC's gun licensing laws I'd be all for it. I'm against mass incarceration.

And if they wanted to have further reforms to welfare, such as further project conversions to co-ops or otherwise privately owned buildings I'd be for that as well.
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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However they exist. The neighborhoods she mentioned are mostly single family homes, and places where one has to drive a car too. So these neighborhoods are of course safe and full of middle class Black families.

People like Robert Moses, in his slum clearance, merely pushed Black and Puerto Ricans into the housing projects and that created all kinds of social pathologies.
They still have higher crime rates than the comparable white neighborhoods.
 
Old 07-18-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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No, am just telling it like it is. People with economic means don't just flee a neighborhood unless it goes to pot. Look at Howard Beach. Much cleaner than Canarsie.
White flight was encouraged by realtors who started marketing houses and apartments to black people in some neighborhoods, rather than white people. Do your homework and learn your history.

Rosedale was a mostly white neighborhood, it experienced white flight (who knows why? because black people started moving in and white people got "scared"? about potential crime? about their "property values" going down? whatever), and it remains a middle class low crime neighborhood (just a black one now).
The quality of life has NOT gone down in Rosedale.
And yes, white people were stupid to leave.

The same could be said about some Bronx neighborhoods. Bedford Park and Norwood used to be mostly white working class neighborhoods. Black and Hispanic people started moving in and white people fled. However these neighborhoods remained and still remain working class neighborhoods, just black and Hispanic working class neighborhoods now, instead of Jewish, Irish, and Italian working class neighborhoods.
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