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Old 07-13-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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Prior to the age of gentrification. Ethnic people lived close to their jobs to serve their massa. This also include ethnic whites as well. Case in point projects being near docklands for dockland Irish workers way back during World War 2 era. The further out you traveled to NYC, the more white it become, example of this is Canarsie, back in the day, South Brooklyn, Eastern Queens, much of Northern and Eastern Bronx, and all of Staten Island. The intelligentsia who lived in the suburbs commuted to work via Metro North, Long Island Rail Road, NJT or by highway system. The local ethnic masses took the train to work because the home was not far from work. I remember this from a class I took from college. It explained why poor folks lived close to wealthy areas of NYC. But this notion is no longer acceptable in todays NYC.

No one did not expect for millions of educated suburban whites to move back to the city, not only in NYC, but throughout the country DC for example, Boston, SF. The millennial migration is one of the largest migrations America have ever seen except for black migrations of north/south. White suburbia does not have the professional job, and academia out put that cities offer, therefore plenty of white folks began to move back to the city. Areas that are close to the subway that offer easy access into Manhattan, which was mainly used by ethnic people as well as ethnic whites. Now these areas are used by educated suburban intelligentsia who are mainly white, while the ethnic folks now have to move further out for cheaper rent and deal with long commute times or relocate out of the region all together.

Back in the day Cobble Hill was not attractive even though it has great transportation and close to Manhattan, and beautiful housing stock. But thanks to New Urbanism, Cobble Hill is attractive for proximity to Manhattan and great transportation.
Well in a nutshell, the "educated suburban intelligentsia" as you call them, aka Liberals, moved into minority neighborhoods while the white working class, who tended to be more conservative, moved farther out to avoid minorities. It's kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't for white liberals though. They're criticized for moving into minority neighborhoods (gentrifiers!), and if they're criticized if they don't (hypocrates!).

 
Old 07-13-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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Well in a nutshell, the "educated suburban intelligentsia" as you call them, aka Liberals, moved into minority neighborhoods while the white working class, who tended to be more conservative, moved farther out to avoid minorities. It's kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don't for white liberals though. They're criticized for moving into minority neighborhoods (gentrifiers!), and if they're criticized if they don't (hypocrates!).
And there have always been white liberals in NYC.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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This was true. One female educator I knew told me that Bernie was the worse and Clinton would be the best for women and black people. In my head I was laughing with agony. She said Bernie was not good for women. Staunch liberals supported the neoliberal agenda. Progressive Populist like myself backed Bernie all the day. To be honest, if Bernie would have won the primaries, plenty of liberals in NYC, DC, SF, Boston, Seattle, and such places would have sat out during the election. The reason why liberals would have sat out because Bernie does not serve their interest, and he goes against the liberal ethos. Bernie even said it himself that he is not a liberal. But when I looked at the big picture, it made so much sense why liberals did not support Bernie Sanders.

This past election was clearly about populism. Kind of like the same way how plenty of populist progressives such as myself who sat out and did not vote Hillary. I was kind of happy Trump won.
There is a real split in the Democratic Party right now that was very apparent during the Democratic primary. Older, wealthier and established liberal media outlets tended to support Hilary Clinton, who was less of a threat to the status quo and their financial interests. This is the faction of the Democratic party that is in control, hence Sanders got very unfair treatment by the media and the party in general during the primary. The one exception were minorities, particularly blacks, who tended to stick to Hilary even though Bernie's policies better suited their interests overall. I believe the reason for this was that Bernie didn't pander or resort to identity politics to win support. Trump, however, has done what had previously seemed impossible - unite Democratic party (in opposition)...
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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I think you mean short-sighted.

(I'm not surprised that you made a spelling error, frankly. Why is it that people with conservative views tend to be more ignorant in general?)
Frankly, you should be embarrassed to have the time to edit such minor typos.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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Shawn James speaks perfectly about these liberal progressives in his new video. He is also from the South Bronx.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_8AVmDf9jw

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Old 07-13-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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Money by its very nature is short sighted. You get a good deal and you get what money while you can, when you can. The same opportunities won't always be available.
Exactly. No matter what damage you do long term for other growth opportunities.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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How about the all-white racist, reactionary, bigot class? Why leave them out of the discussion? Some of THEM claim to know a black person who doesn't change his oil.
You do realize that you are part of that class, right?
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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What is "SJW"?
Are you really that ignorant to not be able to figure that one out on your own?
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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There is a real split in the Democratic Party right now that was very apparent during the Democratic primary. Older, wealthier and established liberal media outlets tended to support Hilary Clinton, who was less of a threat to the status quo and their financial interests. This is the faction of the Democratic party that is in control, hence Sanders got very unfair treatment by the media and the party in general during the primary. The one exception were minorities, particularly blacks, who tended to stick to Hilary even though Bernie's policies better suited their interests overall. I believe the reason for this was that Bernie didn't pander or resort to identity politics to win support. Trump, however, has done what had previously seemed impossible - unite Democratic party (in opposition)...
What I also found interesting is the support Hillary got for establishment and wealthy Republican donors who are anti Trump. Remember wealthy liberal democrat and Republican are one of the same and support America's neoliberal agenda. Trump hijacked the Republican party.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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There is a real split in the Democratic Party right now that was very apparent during the Democratic primary. Older, wealthier and established liberal media outlets tended to support Hilary Clinton, who was less of a threat to the status quo and their financial interests. This is the faction of the Democratic party that is in control, hence Sanders got very unfair treatment by the media and the party in general during the primary. The one exception were minorities, particularly blacks, who tended to stick to Hilary even though Bernie's policies better suited their interests overall. I believe the reason for this was that Bernie didn't pander or resort to identity politics to win support. Trump, however, has done what had previously seemed impossible - unite Democratic party (in opposition)...

The "identity politics" thing is a right wing talking point! A criticism of Bernie or at least the Berniebros, is that they seem to want to ignore social issues and are only concerned with promoting socialism to white peoole.

And conservatives also use identity politics. As a matrer of fact, that's probably how they've gotten poor rural white people to keep voting against their own interests.

For what it's worth, I voted for Bernie but I really don't think any of the 2016 Dem candidates were great. But any of them would farrrrrr better than Trump of course.
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