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Old 07-13-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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What I also found interesting is the support Hillary got for establishment and wealthy Republican donors who are anti Trump. Remember wealthy liberal democrat and Republican are one of the same and support America's neoliberal agenda. Trump hijacked the Republican party.
Trump is the useful idiot for the GOP. He is totally an establishment Republican.

 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:38 AM
 
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The "identity politics" thing is a right wing talking point! A criticism of Bernie or at least the Berniebros, is that they seem to want to ignore social issues and are only concerned with promoting socialism to white peoole.

And conservatives also use identity politics. As a matrer of fact, that's probably how they've gotten poor rural white people to keep voting against their own interests.

For what it's worth, I voted for Bernie but I really don't think any of the 2016 Dem candidates were great. But any of them would farrrrrr better than Trump of course.
It's off topic, but identity politics are real and yes they are also used by conservatives (to great effect). Sanders had such a big disadvantage when media and Democratic party were in Hilary's pockets. They did what they could for Hilary and she won the primary. And then we got Trump. Who knows what would have happened if the media and Democratic party were actually neutral. I voted for Sanders in the primary and didn't vote in the general out of protest. I would have voted if I thought that Trump had any chance of winning New York State though.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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Exactly. No matter what damage you do long term for other growth opportunities.
There is no long term when it comes to money. You strike when the iron is hot, because you don't know when your next opportunity will be.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I'd like to see more opportunity go back to native born Americans especially white and black men. These two groups represent our best workers and most fluent English speakers. Speaking perfect English should be recognized as a great commodity here at home.

Black men have made enormous progress in the past couple decades but it is clearly still an oppressed group. Many black men are damaged by the system (of segregation) but some make it through okay, and the black men who make it through and are professionals are some of our greatest people in NYC. Some of our strongest modern voices of the USA were people like Malcolm X and Dr. King Junior. Regardless of whatever criticisms people hold for those two guys they were some of our strongest.

White men are right up there too. White men are great for this country. People like president John F Kennedy were shining examples of what made America great. I am just not seeing the same contributions from any other ethnicity. Other ethnic groups seem to just be here for free loading and not really supporting the American ideologies that make up the cores and strengths of the freedoms we have today. Sorry but from what I see, other ethnic communities seem like mooches.

I have been to dozens of different countries and I would only want to live in the USA because we still have more freedoms then anywhere else that I have found.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Trump is the useful idiot for the GOP. He is totally an establishment Republican.
And things are pretty much normal when the election year over. Standard politics. No major changes happening.

If Trump doesn't gut medicaid or medicare I am perfectly fine with him. I didn't vote for him.

A lot of what he said he would do has been blunted or blocked by Congress and the Courts. The President of the United States is not emperor or king.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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I'd like to see more opportunity go back to native born Americans especially white and black men. These two groups represent our best workers and most fluent English speakers. Speaking perfect English should be recognized as a great commodity here at home.
That's very ignorant. Immigrants are some of the hardest working people we have in this country, doing jobs that native-born Americans don't care to do. Who is picking your food by the way?

The English-only emphasis is very misguided too. Bilingualism is a great advantage, for work, for our brains, and to enrich our lives in general.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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That's very ignorant. Immigrants are some of the hardest working people we have in this country, doing jobs that native-born Americans don't care to do. Who is picking your food by the way?

The English-only emphasis is very misguided too. Bilingualism is a great advantage, for work, for our brains, and to enrich our lives in general.
Am here to tell you that the immigrants are the new favorites when it comes to minorities.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:55 AM
 
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I'd like to see more opportunity go back to native born Americans especially white and black men. These two groups represent our best workers and most fluent English speakers. Speaking perfect English should be recognized as a great commodity here at home.

Black men have made enormous progress in the past couple decades but it is clearly still an oppressed group. Many black men are damaged by the system (of segregation) but some make it through okay, and the black men who make it through and are professionals are some of our greatest people in NYC. Some of our strongest modern voices of the USA were people like Malcolm X and Dr. King Junior. Regardless of whatever criticisms people hold for those two guys they were some of our strongest.

White men are right up there too. White men are great for this country. People like president John F Kennedy were shining examples of what made America great. I am just not seeing the same contributions from any other ethnicity. Other ethnic groups seem to just be here for free loading and not really supporting the American ideologies that make up the cores and strengths of the freedoms we have today. Sorry but from what I see, other ethnic communities seem like mooches.

I have been to dozens of different countries and I would only want to live in the USA because we still have more freedoms then anywhere else that I have found.
There should be no preference for Black or White men. An US citizen is an US citizen, and a native born person is automatically a citizen.

Malcolm X was part West Indian. Colin Powell, the former Secretary of State, was of Jamaican descent. Granted, these are Black men, but they were from immigrant families.

To say that other ethnicities are here for the free ride is ridiculous. Immigrants held cities like NYC and LA up, when whites and the Black middle class fled. If not for immigrants and foreign money coming in NYC, LA would be all housing projects and welfare, and would have an extremely marginalized Black population.

The entire service sector of NYC is immigrant labor of all races. Foreign money goes a big way towards the endowment of our top universities. Many of the engineers who made it possible for us to communicate online are Chinese or Indian. Silicon Valley owes much of it's work to these Asian engineers.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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Am here to tell you that the immigrants are the new favorites when it comes to minorities.
Please elaborate. Favorite target or that they experience less discrimination than African Americans? Both are probably true.
 
Old 07-13-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Please elaborate.
Can look at your previous comment as an example. Here you are praising the immigrant community even though they may not speak English and grouping all of them as hard workers and overlooking other minority groups. Are you saying those groups don't work hard as well? Am tired of hearing such things. Americans work more hours than any other country. Those of us that work *ALL* work hard.
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