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Old 07-18-2017, 05:50 PM
 
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Sigh, the yentas on this board have failed to provide numbers or data, just empty complaints and falsehoods.

Deeken, why don't you start one? You could be the only one on it and have all to yourself.

Coney Island will be thriving, stay tuned.
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:01 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Sigh, the yentas on this board have failed to provide numbers or data, just empty complaints and falsehoods.

Deeken, why don't you start one? You could be the only one on it and have all to yourself.

Coney Island will be thriving, stay tuned.
Don't need numbers. We all have *EYES* and can see.
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Old 07-18-2017, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Coney Island seems to be doing just fine with tourists without the ferry. If you factor in wait times between ferries, it's probably longer than taking the subway. South Brooklyn route runs every 30 minutes or so, so I imagine it would be the same for a potential Coney Island route. On average, it will be a 15 minute wait, so it becomes a 45 minute trip from Pier 11 to CI Creek. On the Pier 11 side, it's another 10 minutes to walk to the subway. There are no good connections to other transportation there. If you're going to Coney Island from any place other than walking distance of Pier 11, then it makes more sense to take the subway.
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Old 07-19-2017, 06:00 AM
 
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A half block block North of my back door is the first and last stop on the Q-train. It goes direct to Coney Island.
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Old 07-19-2017, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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A half block block North of my back door is the first and last stop on the Q-train. It goes direct to Coney Island.
Pretty much anybody that's going to Coney Island from any place in the city served by the N, Q, D and F trains will get there quicker via subway than going to Pier 11 to take the ferry. It only benefits those in the Financial District.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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BKLYNkenny, I have 20/20 vison and see things perfectly, it looks like you need new glasses.
You are not factoring in train delays. Again 2 hour commutes are a common occurrence here in Coney Island. Also this route will not just be a Coney Island to Lower Manhattan route. It will also serve Canarsie, which you are failing to include in your argument.

No the R and the 1 train is just a 3 minute walk from pier 11. Traveling to the rest of the city would be a breeze. Pier 11 is growing in popularity with tourists, after taking the staten island ferry, they walk to pier 11 and board ferries. Those tourists pressed on time would be inclined to go to Coney Island and spend the day.

The jealousy is real on this forum. Can you guys make this debate challenging? Put your money where your mouth is and cite data and facts, it's getting old.
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:11 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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BKLYNkenny, I have 20/20 vison and see things perfectly, it looks like you need new glasses.
You are not factoring in train delays. Again 2 hour commutes are a common occurrence here in Coney Island. Also this route will not just be a Coney Island to Lower Manhattan route. It will also serve Canarsie, which you are failing to include in your argument.

No the R and the 1 train is just a 3 minute walk from pier 11. Traveling to the rest of the city would be a breeze. Pier 11 is growing in popularity with tourists, after taking the staten island ferry, they walk to pier 11 and board ferries. Those tourists pressed on time would be inclined to go to Coney Island and spend the day.

The jealousy is real on this forum. Can you guys make this debate challenging? Put your money where your mouth is and cite data and facts, it's getting old.
Am not sure where you get *jealousy* from. It's called *reality*. Coney Island does *NOT* need ferry service.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Am not sure where you get *jealousy* from. It's called *reality*. Coney Island does *NOT* need ferry service.
I too don't understand how others are jealous. Many people here disagree with the assertions made.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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BKLYNkenny, I have 20/20 vison and see things perfectly, it looks like you need new glasses.
You are not factoring in train delays. Again 2 hour commutes are a common occurrence here in Coney Island. Also this route will not just be a Coney Island to Lower Manhattan route. It will also serve Canarsie, which you are failing to include in your argument.

No the R and the 1 train is just a 3 minute walk from pier 11. Traveling to the rest of the city would be a breeze. Pier 11 is growing in popularity with tourists, after taking the staten island ferry, they walk to pier 11 and board ferries. Those tourists pressed on time would be inclined to go to Coney Island and spend the day.

The jealousy is real on this forum. Can you guys make this debate challenging? Put your money where your mouth is and cite data and facts, it's getting old.
The R and 1 is absolutely not a 3 minute walk. Maybe a 3 minute run, not a walk though. It's definitely closer to 10 minutes; I just walked that exact route today. As I said earlier, I do agree that from the Financial District to Coney Island, a ferry would be quicker. If you think that population justifies the ferry, then good for you. I respectfully disagree though.

Delays happen on the ferry as well. A few weekends ago, the ferry I was waiting for was delayed 15 minutes. How often does it take 2 hours to get from Coney Island to lower Manhattan? On the absolute worst day in my 3 decades here, it was maybe just over an hour.

I'm not familiar enough with Canarsie to comment on a ferry there. The thread so far has centered on Coney Island needing a ferry, not Canarsie.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:57 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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I like the idea of riding to Coney Island for myself, but I don't think the ferry system, however much I like it, is currently a good use of transit dollars since the existing system already has a pretty hefty per rider subsidy that is several times greater than that given for other modes. I think if a private operator wanted to give it a shot, then sure, the city should cooperate in trying to help push it through the system, but not with subsidies.

Coney Island has a pretty good wealth of subway service right now, and if the issue is that the bus to train leg takes too long/out-of-the-way/infrequent, then it makes sense to focus on improving that instead and perhaps running the B express on weekends (at least during summer) to Coney Island. In the long run, what probably makes sense is that if there is an eventual second avenue subway going down to downtown Manhattan, then an additional East River crossing into Brooklyn that goes into a revised F express train which doesn't gobble away capacity from the current local service makes sense. In that scenario, then a F express train can be done on weekdays for both directions where the line is four-tracked and then peak direction for where the line is three-tracked.
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