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Old 07-22-2017, 04:10 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Relative to Black Caribbeans in NYC, I know more and see a larger percentage of fat/chubby/big PR and Dominians in NYC than Black Caribbeans.
Can tell you a big reason is the portion sizes. Have many Latino friends and have been invited for gatherings regularly. In such countries, someone being skinny is considered to be a poor reflection of the mother, so the more food eaten the better, as it is seen as the child being *healthy* even if they are really chubby and or fat. Never understood such a ridiculous concept, but at the same time, makes sense. Both are poor countries, so a skinny kid could be an indication that there isn't enough food in the house due to the family not having enough money, and reputation in such countries is always paramount. What could be worse than *people talking* or whatever about how the family is too poor to afford enough to eat?

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Old 07-22-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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No, he doens't. In the 20s and 30s, if you were poor, you didn't eat. Now, if you're poor, you get stamps and SNAP, and the cheapest food around is ****ty fast food.

Acting as though it's primarily a function of self control (although I agree that self control is lacking in many cases) is really disingenuous.

Fast food ain't cheap if you know how to compare price per lb/oz my friend.
Fast food is convenient.

It is primarily a case of self control for the vast majority (of course small subset have health issues that contribute to weight gain). Anyone claiming otherwise is being dishonest. Human beings do not evolve so drastically in 2 generations.

Secondly, we weren't talking about poverty. We were talking about income inequality. The last time income inequality was as high (it technically was even higher) was in the 20's/30's. Income inequality isn't the same thing as poverty.
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Old 07-22-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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Why are we only focusing on obese?

There's much space between a healthy weight and obese. Many people aren't obese but are overweight.
Well I think obese is the point where someone is visibly "fat"
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Old 07-22-2017, 05:04 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Well I think obese is the point where someone is visibly "fat"
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dude is like "why me, god, why me"
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Old 07-22-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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Well I think obese is the point where someone is visibly "fat"
You can't be serious?

Plenty of overweight, non-obese, individuals are visibly fat.
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Old 07-22-2017, 07:26 PM
 
Location: 2 blocks from bay in L.I, NY
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No, he doens't. In the 20s and 30s, if you were poor, you didn't eat. Now, if you're poor, you get stamps and SNAP, and the cheapest food around is ****ty fast food.
Queue up the violins because the pity party has started. People love to say the above as if low-income people and welfare receiptents are mandated only to eat at fast foods restaurants and bodegas. So untrue. I've posted time and time again on different threads on C-D the information below on healthy foods (doesn't have to be organic food from Whole Foods or Fairway) below so here goes again.

First: mainstream fast food restaurant doesn't accept SNAP or foodstamps, only US dollars. So these people are choosing to use real money to buy junk. Key word: c h o o s i n g.

Second: I travel a lot with work and I'm currently working upstate but if I could run into the average NYC supermarket (not expensive D'agostino or Whole Foods, not bodega/Duane Reade/Walgreens/CVS, but average supermarket I guarantee you I'd could upload pics of prices in this range listing apples 2 for $1, bananas 0.79 cents per lb, oranges 5 for $1, cabbage 0.99 cents per lb if that, carrots 0.69 cents a bag, cucumbers 2 for $1, a 5 lb of potatoes for $3.99, a dozen eggs $2 or less if on sale, a small bag of rice $1+, bag of dried beans 0.99 cents, box of macaroni or spaghetti $1+, raw green beans, raw corn on the cob in the hull, and so forth are all very affordable. A whole chicken or thighs are $4.99-$7.99 and this could feed a family. Please explain how these healthy foods are more expensive than fast foods?

A person can make at least two meals or more for their family buying a handful of healthy foods and add a meat dish or not. There will be leftovers. On the other hand, a value meal is only one meal per person with no leftovers since fast food taste horrible re-heated. A few hours later, they're hungry again which means spending more money on fast food to feed the family. Please explain how healthy foods are more expensive than fast food??
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Old 07-22-2017, 07:47 PM
 
Location: 2 blocks from bay in L.I, NY
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Can tell you a big reason is the portion sizes. Have many Latino friends and have been invited for gatherings regularly. In such countries, someone being skinny is considered to be a poor reflection of the mother, so the more food eaten the better, as it is seen as the child being *healthy* even if they are really chubby and or fat. Never understood such a ridiculous concept, but at the same time, makes sense. Both are poor countries, so a skinny kid could be an indication that there isn't enough food in the house due to the family not having enough money, and reputation in such countries is always paramount. What could be worse than *people talking* or whatever about how the family is too poor to afford enough to eat?
You are so right! OMG, you just triggered my memory of my friend's situation which happened years ago. She is African-American and was married to a Dominican (he looked like an African-American until he told you that he was from the DR). She was very thin and her husband was a big chubby line-backer looking man. They had one child who was about 2 yrs old. The child was cute and thin just like the mother. That summer the 2 year old spent it with his grandmother in the DR. Abuela saw the skinny 2 year old and shook her head knowingly. It was confirmation that her son made a mistake marrying an American woman, Black American at that, instead of a DR woman. Look at this skinny baby!!! A disgrace! O Dios mios!

After it all was all over, my friend laughingly told me about it once one of her American DR in-laws spilled the beans to her. Her mother-in-law talked about her like a dog! Grandma also made it her business if it was the last thing she was going to do on this earth, she was going to fatten up her grandchild. Which she DID! She doubled his size. When he came back he was still only 2 yrs old but the size of a 4 year old. Came back speaking ONLY Spanish (but had gone there speaking only English), act like he wasn't too crazy about Americans - not even African-Americans, and was so fat that I didn't recognize him. He looked like a little samuri wrestler! Me and my friend (his mom) said it must have been all those beans and rice dishes they eat.
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Old 07-22-2017, 07:51 PM
 
Location: 2 blocks from bay in L.I, NY
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dude is like "why me, god, why me"
I believe this was photo shopped? Oh I've seen people this big but with the low, low cut top, I don't believe it. I think that is a BBW porn shot cropped and photo shopped onto a fat woman on a public bus.
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Old 07-22-2017, 08:18 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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You are so right! OMG, you just triggered my memory of my friend's situation which happened years ago. She is African-American and was married to a Dominican (he looked like an African-American until he told you that he was from the DR). She was very thin and her husband was a big chubby line-backer looking man. They had one child who was about 2 yrs old. The child was cute and thin just like the mother. That summer the 2 year old spent it with his grandmother in the DR. Abuela saw the skinny 2 year old and shook her head knowingly. It was confirmation that her son made a mistake marrying an American woman, Black American at that, instead of a DR woman. Look at this skinny baby!!! A disgrace! O Dios mios!

After it all was all over, my friend laughingly told me about it once one of her American DR in-laws spilled the beans to her. Her mother-in-law talked about her like a dog! Grandma also made it her business if it was the last thing she was going to do on this earth, she was going to fatten up her grandchild. Which she DID! She doubled his size. When he came back he was still only 2 yrs old but the size of a 4 year old. Came back speaking ONLY Spanish (but had gone there speaking only English), act like he wasn't too crazy about Americans - not even African-Americans, and was so fat that I didn't recognize him. He looked like a little samuri wrestler! Me and my friend (his mom) said it must have been all those beans and rice dishes they eat.
*LOL* Am sure she was thinking ˇpero ese bebé tiene que comer! Once, can remember going to a friend's gathering at his mother's house in NJ. Had met her before at holiday events or whatever. Made a mistake of snacking on pizza beforehand. Mother was Venezuelan. Had cooked a feast including a stew. As much as I tried, could not get out of there without eating like a pig. Refused anything but was given a plate full of everything and was expected to have seconds. Was given the evil eye and quickly forgot all about how full I was. *LOL*
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Four most obese States (over 35% affected)
Louisiana36.2%
+/- 1.9%


Tied for second place:
2.Alabama 35.6%
+/- 1.5%

2.Mississippi 35.6%
+/- 1.9%

2.West Virgininia 35.6%


I have never understood the correlation between poverty and obesity. It seems counterintuitive to me. I eat out a lot because I can. The wealthier/secure I get (or feel) the more I eat in restaurants (I don't like take out or order in.) With a burst of wealth I would be tempted to eat 21 meals in restaurants.
<I am an excellent but lazy cook.>


Is it possible that generational poverty causes genetic change resulting in calorically THRIFTY genes?
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