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Old 07-21-2017, 12:29 PM
 
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Maybe the MTA should be run by the city now that the city isn't broke like in the 70s. First a different mayor and governor. Cuomo started to look good, but these last 2 months made me dislike him again. I want just -one- politician who cares about mass transit instead of using it as a scapegoat for senseless, and honestly quite boring, means.

Also getting a bit antsy about unions. Seems unions are a problem everywhere in the US where they exist. I call for a drastic overhaul! Rebel rebel rebel..

New York City still cannot afford to take back NYCTA; period, end of story.


Just the pension obligations and other employee costs alone would blow a hole in NYC's budget. It would certainly take away from all the liberal/democratic/progressive freebies such as free feminine hygiene supplies, legal council in housing court and so forth.


New York City also cannot afford to fund the much needed investments such as capital spending and other infrastructure maintenance much less improvements.


Remember reason why state/MTA ended up with NYCTA was because NYC was incapable of funding/running the thing, and it went beyond the 1970's fiscal issues.


As a public authority the MTA can issue debt without going to tax payers (referendum). NYC and NYS for that matter do not have that luxury.


Just off top of one's head where do you think funding would come from for phase II of SAS? The NYC subway system badly needs major infrastructure improvements such as the signal system. That archaic bit of technology has largely been in place for much of the system since lines were built early in last century. Some lines and or parts of have modern signal system, but to upgrade entire NYC subway system would cost 2, 3 or more *BILLION* dollars. New York City does not have that kind of cash.


Those kinds of sums can only be had by borrowing, and yes, the city could issue bonds but that is costly and again would require voter approval. It would also add to the vast debt load facing NYC currently and for generations to come.


Case in point back in the 1990's or maybe early 2000's as the city was going through economic bad times it refinanced debt from the 1970's fiscal crisis. Debt that was nearly paid off, but now won't be for decades.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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Excuses, excuses.

There is no reason to keep a crappy governor who currently neglected the MTA.
My point is people have to be smarter than the "just picking anybody else" mindset. that has literally went nowhere in government.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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My point is people have to be smarter than the "just picking anybody else" mindset. that has literally went nowhere in government.
What you need is recall elections- so that these asshats can say they're not doing their jobs, and as taxpayers and voters you can say, "Fine, you're out- we are going to appoint someone who will."
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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New York City still cannot afford to take back NYCTA; period, end of story.

Not to mention that tens of thousands of non-NYC commuters use the buses and subways everyday to get to work. The MTA crisis has become a concern for officials as far as Dutchess, Orange and Ulster counties due to many of their residents working in NYC. Hence, NYC should not assume the entire financial burden.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Bloomberg wanted to put in congestion pricing to fund MTA upgrades and expansion, but this did not fly in Albany due to opposition from representatives of Manhattan above 59th Street, the outer boroughs and the suburbs.

Maybe the Port Authority should be merged with the MTA? That way Port Authority tolls, airport and seaport revenue and real estate revenue could subsidize MTA expansion and upgrades.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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Bloomberg wanted to put in congestion pricing to fund MTA upgrades and expansion, but this did not fly in Albany due to opposition from representatives of Manhattan above 59th Street, the outer boroughs and the suburbs.

Maybe the Port Authority should be merged with the MTA? That way Port Authority tolls, airport and seaport revenue and real estate revenue could subsidize MTA expansion and upgrades.

MTA is a state authority whose boundaries are just that; which is why the GWB, Lincoln and Holland tunnels are under PA control.


Besides do you really want the governor of New Jersey making decisions about NYC/NYS interstate transit systems?
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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MTA is a state authority whose boundaries are just that; which is why the GWB, Lincoln and Holland tunnels are under PA control.


Besides do you really want the governor of New Jersey making decisions about NYC/NYS interstate transit systems?
The Port Authority get revenues from things wholly in NYC such as the airports, WTC, and other real estate.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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The Port Authority get revenues from things wholly in NYC such as the airports, WTC, and other real estate.


Again yes, but it is a bi-state authority meant to deal with "ports" and things that are intrastate (airports, bridges, etc...). There was then and still is much debate regarding PA real estate holding outside of say the bus terminal which is a natural thing since the buses go to NJ. Case in point was the bitter fighting about building the WTC and the fact the thing never was a commercial success.
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Old 07-21-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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Bloomberg wanted to put in congestion pricing to fund MTA upgrades and expansion, but this did not fly in Albany due to opposition from representatives of Manhattan above 59th Street, the outer boroughs and the suburbs.

Maybe the Port Authority should be merged with the MTA? That way Port Authority tolls, airport and seaport revenue and real estate revenue could subsidize MTA expansion and upgrades.
Lol. Port Authority merging with the MTA? Nah, it wont happen. Port Authority manages the ports, however it does manage transportation hubs and transportation structures. Like the MTA, the Port Authority is also a mess which needs to be gutted from the top down. Both the Port Authority and MTA work similar and Cuomo has his representatives on both boards of these transportation agencies. Both the PA and the MTA sit on the REBNY or Real Estate Board of NY.

Nywriterdude, you love NYC more than anything on earth. But if NYC does not get its transportation game on its level playing field. NYC can loose out being a financial capital of the world, and this can happen by this century. Geography determines destiny. NYC is a very isolated city from the rest of the world in terms of geography, and the city as a whole fails at connecting people from all over the world as a hub, but immigration is a different story. Take a 3000 mile radius around JFK airport, or even Manhattan Island, and see if their is a major global city in its vicinity. The answer is no! The nearest global city is probably Mexico City or London. I'm not sure if Toronto, Montreal Ottawa and Quebec counts. Now look at Dubai. 3000 mile radius of Dubai, you have Moscow, Istanbul, Israel, India, Iran Cairo, Rome, London, Madrid, Peoples Republic of China, growing developing countries of Africa and so on. Dubai has transportation done right, and thus will be able to be a hub for connecting people of this century, and why? 1/3 of the worlds population lives within 5-6 hours from Dubai.

NYC must get its transportation game going, not only for the 21st century, but the transportation should be functional up until the 22nd century. Cuomo should approach Trump about a possible package for NYC transportation upgrade, from subway to the airport and everything in between. If NYC does not get its transportation cards rights. NYC can loose out at being the global leading city for the remainder of the 21st century.

What are possible ideas of improving NYC metro system transit. Extending the LIRR from Brooklyn terminal, to the WTC. Thus allowing jersey residents a connection with PATH to Long Island in one station instead of the use of walking two blocks away from Penn Station to 33rd street station. Extending the PATH train to Grand Central, allowing NJ riders with connection to Metro North and LIRR would be ideal and save riders the hassle of walking from one hub to another in inclement weather.

A construction of an high speed rail line which operates on its own dedicated line instead of the northeast corridor. This line would be owned and operated by Amtrak. This line solely connects Boston, NYC, Philly and DC.

Port Authority bus terminal should be demolished, if not demolished than renovated for the 21st century.

State should fund options to extend the 2nd avenue line to the Bronx. MTA should look into building new lines, and possibly tearing down old train lines and building new ones either bellow existing lines or above that can accommodate the traffic for the 21st century.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:13 PM
 
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First thing's first - NYC has to fix what's already in place. The SAS was a boondoggle. Fulton Center - boondoggle. It frustrated me when I would be standing in the Sutphin and Archer train station - built out in the early 90s - with the ceilings falling apart, walls cracking, etcetera. How can the MTA get itself involved in these expensive projects while train stations are literally falling apart before our very eyes?

Secondly, borrow the necessary money to hire workers to rebuild the entire network of tracks with today's technology and metallurgy. Transit has always been fixing tracks. But you can't run a 21st century system using bandaids. You have to gut the system and rebuild.

Lastly, if Cuomo wants to pin the responsibility of the MTA on the City, then let NYC take it over and fold it into the NYCDOT. I think that tighter integration between public transportation and roadwork would actually work out better in the long run with regard to quickly responding to "act of God" events like tropical storms and "man-made" events like rising water levels which will devastate NYC public transportation infrastructure.
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