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Old 07-23-2017, 07:37 PM
 
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Forbes isn't lying, they are just playing with statistics to sell magazines. Please provide the data showing the universities that the gringos dropped out of, and where the black people graduated from.
I'm actually HAPPY you mentioned that.

I don't know if the studies accounted for that. Black people disproportionately graduate from Black colleges in the South, and that maybe disproportionately affecting employability if those colleges are viewed as substandard.

However, even if that's true, it still supports what Forbes is saying. Those studies are saying Black people are held to a much higher standard than white people, not that it's 100% percent impossible for a Black person to get a good job or have a good career.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:40 PM
 
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I'm actually HAPPY you mentioned that.

I don't know if the studies accounted for that. Black people disproportionately graduate from Black colleges in the South, and that maybe disproportionately affecting employability if those colleges are viewed as substandard.

However, even if that's true, it still supports what Forbes is saying. Those studies are saying Black people are held to a much higher standard than white people, not that it's 100% percent impossible for a Black person to get a good job or have a good career.
There are also state colleges that exist simply to make sure there is a school for those that otherwise wouldn't be accepted into other state schools. Check out the demographics of SUNY Old Westbury or SUNY Farmingdale.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:45 PM
 
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There are also state colleges that exist simply to make sure there is a school for those that otherwise wouldn't be accepted into other state schools. Check out the demographics of SUNY Old Westbury or SUNY Farmingdale.
For the record, even despite those statistics there is still no excuse for sitting around and collective welfare or not doing anything. I'm definitely not saying that people should do all they can to do what they need to do.

Only saying some people have more roadblocks than others.

In California the good state school system is the University of California. ****ty candidates go to California State.

In NYC, while 4 year CUNY's like Hunter, City, and Queens have moved up considerably since Giuliani got rid of open enrollment, community colleges must take everyone and have a horrible graduation rate as result. Graduation from LaGuardia is 13% or so.

Binghamton is so good they no longer call themselves SUNY. Ditto for the University at Albany or the University at Buffalo.

So your point on state colleges to make sure those who otherwise won't go is definitely noted as well.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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ey findings include:

Both black and Hispanic men were less likely to receive a positive response from employers—including a call back or email for an interview or a job offer—compared with white men.
Men with criminal records were more likely than women with criminal records to receive a negative response from employers.
White men with a criminal record had more positive responses than black men with no criminal record.

https://csgjusticecenter.org/reentry...or-employment/

Not according to this and other studies. This study was done at Arizona State University.

Can you provide references to studies that contradict this? Or again is it you just don't want to deal with this grim issue.

Of course the American dream claims work hard, be a saint, and all will be well. But considerable research and data show that's somewhat false.
Did those black folks live in mostly black areas, or did they sport an African American name like Ray-Ray, Tyquan, Jarjar Jinkins, Shamika, Tanika, Tamika, Lashonda, Shanelle? If a black Americna has a name like that, your job chances have tanked big time regardless of degree. This is why plenty of folks with such names go government jobs instead of private sector which discriminate on names and geographic area of residence.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:50 PM
 
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Did those black folks live in mostly black areas, or did they sport an African American name like Ray-Ray, Tyquan, Jarjar Jinkins, Shamika, Tanika, Tamika, Lashonda, Shanelle, ?
Other studies have suggested the latter is more detrimental than the first. I'm glad you pointed this out too.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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A lot of low income people, even low income whites who aren't the best student, will go to no name private schools and that could also depress the employment statistics for Black college graduates (I've not read the studies on WHAT universities these graduates are graduating from).

But yeah, if all you can get in is the University of Phoenix you may as well not even go.
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:58 PM
 
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I don't know if the studies accounted for that. Black people disproportionately graduate from Black colleges in the South, and that maybe disproportionately affecting employability if those colleges are viewed as substandard.
Not only do black people go to less credited schools, but it also compounded by black people disproportionately selecting majors that don't pay well. Many advocates argue that the math being taught across public schools is becoming a barrier of inequality. It has become consistent across higher education that minorities have to take remedial classes through no fault of their own as the schools they attended do not have the math classes available to them.
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:01 PM
 
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Did those black folks live in mostly black areas, or did they sport an African American name like Ray-Ray, Tyquan, Jarjar Jinkins, Shamika, Tanika, Tamika, Lashonda, Shanelle? If a black Americna has a name like that, your job chances have tanked big time regardless of degree. This is why plenty of folks with such names go government jobs instead of private sector which discriminate on names and geographic area of residence.
Definitely living in an all Black neighborhood is negative. It reduces your social contacts, and this has direct influence on a person's professional networks or even awareness of what's out there.
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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Did those black folks live in mostly black areas, or did they sport an African American name like Ray-Ray, Tyquan, Jarjar Jinkins, Shamika, Tanika, Tamika, Lashonda, Shanelle? If a black Americna has a name like that, your job chances have tanked big time regardless of degree. This is why plenty of folks with such names go government jobs instead of private sector which discriminate on names and geographic area of residence.
To be discriminated against just based on having an ethnic. Assimilation into white american culture is the only way to survive. Unless you went the entertainment route.
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:04 PM
 
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Not only do black people go to less credited schools, but it also compounded by black people disproportionately selecting majors that don't pay well. Many advocates argue that the math being taught across public schools is becoming a barrier of inequality. It has become consistent across higher education that minorities have to take remedial classes through no fault of their own as the schools they attended do not have the math classes available to them.
This is true of not just remedial math, but remedial English as well. You're right to point out being trapped in failing schools certainly affects ability of many minority students to even get into a worthwhile college. You have many factors at play here.
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