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Old 08-12-2017, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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If financial resources are available, even to a small degree, we have the ability to co-create the space in which we live. I plan to do that as more people like me are moving to the area, and the market is there and growing.

If one lives in a wealthy enclave without any real amenities, then that shows, there is no desire for those amenities. It says a lot about who lives there. That's why I hate eastern Queens and LI. Lower Westchester and areas around Tarrytown are very different than Eastern Queens and LI. They have a lot of cultural things RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD. In poorer areas, the resources and time are simply not there. It's a huge distinction.
I don't live in eastern Queens, but I find it to be the most culturally rich section of this entire country.
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Old 08-12-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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I don't live in eastern Queens, but I find it to be the most culturally rich section of this entire country.
How so?
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Old 08-12-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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In other words: you don't want to live around Orthodox Jews.

Just say it.

You would rather colonize a black neighborhood than an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood (start your CSA or your bookstore, or try to get a Trader Joe's to come to the neighborhood...)

Why is that? Because you think the people of color will be easier to push around than Orthodox Jews and won't fight back when they get priced out of the neighborhood?

Is that what you mean by "the people who dominate the politics"?
I don't want to live in an evangelical neighborhood of any stripe as my social and political leanings would never be embraced in such an environment and I would not be able to connect with others.

Parkchester is a Hispanic area, and a Bangledeshi one, not a black area. It's also 25% white, although mostly elderly.

The CSA in 2009, by Lizzette Bonfante Gonzalez. Here is their Facebook page to prove it.

https://www.facebook.com/Parkchester...13109475555571.

So I can hardly be responsible for something that began 8 years ago and I'm glad they have one I can join.

There is also the Parkchester Chorus, something I may want to join at some point.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Parkches...=page_internal

Again something I did not create since it was created in 1939.

There are other groups of course dedicate to the arts:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/BAADBron...=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/BronxCouncilontheArts/
https://www.facebook.com/BxArtsFactory1/

And the adjacent neighborhood is big on the arts.
https://www.facebook.com/WSBID/
https://www.facebook.com/WestchesterSquareArtsFestival/

or the group dedicated to beautifying the Bronx founded in 2003. https://www.facebook.com/BeautifyTheBronx/

But right there in Parkchester, an activist, working to improve Parkchster.
https://www.facebook.com/GIVE.Inc/ (Founded in 2010)

And then there are yoga studios not far away.
Yoga in the Bronx | Zumba Classes | FinerStudio | Bronx NY (this isn't the only one, just the closest one dedicated to it.)

So anyway, there is nothing I'm advocating that isn't ALREADY THERE. I'm truly sorry you are unaware of these things but I am not the founder of them. I am certainly glad that someone has already done this though.

But that is a non-sequitor. I'm BUYING property, not renting so who exactly am I pushing out? If you already own your property, than one can assume you have a fixed mortgage in most cases. Many people are lucky duckies and refi'd at a 2% interest rate, something almost impossible to attain today. Lastly, they paid significantly less for their property which means even if their income is less than mine, their bills are also a lot lower. All that to say, no one who owns their property is being pushed out of the area. The rental market is only loosely tied to the buyers market. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-re...and-rent-price

And what's your point? I'm a native New Yorker. This is my city. I was born here. I have lived here my entire life. So are you saying that I should pay 1/2 my salary or more to live somewhere that is a white area just because I'm white? Where should I go exactly? The house I grew up in Manhattan is valued at $6 million dollars. I don't have that kind of money. https://www.trulia.com/homes/New_Yor...-York-NY-10009

Are you saying that as a home owner; I should have no interest in quality of life or investing in the single most significant financial investment in my life? The place where I will have a mortgage, and where I will be paying property tax for the next 30 years or until which time I retire and decide to sell and live elsewere?

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Old 08-12-2017, 04:58 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I don't want to live in an evangelical neighborhood of any stripe as my social and political leanings would never be embraced in such an environment and I would not be able to connect with others.

Parkchester is a Hispanic area, and a Bangledeshi one, not a black area. It's also 25% white, although mostly elderly.

The CSA in 2009, by Lizzette Bonfante Gonzalez. Here is their Facebook page to prove it.

https://www.facebook.com/Parkchester...13109475555571.

So I can hardly be responsible for something that began 8 years ago and I'm glad they have one I can join.

There is also the Parkchester Chorus, something I may want to join at some point.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Parkches...=page_internal

Again something I did not create since it was created in 1939.

There are other groups of course dedicate to the arts:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/BAADBron...=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/BronxCouncilontheArts/
https://www.facebook.com/BxArtsFactory1/

And the adjacent neighborhood is big on the arts.
https://www.facebook.com/WSBID/
https://www.facebook.com/WestchesterSquareArtsFestival/

or the group dedicated to beautifying the Bronx founded in 2003. https://www.facebook.com/BeautifyTheBronx/

But right there in Parkchester, an activist, working to improve Parkchster.
https://www.facebook.com/GIVE.Inc/

And then there are yoga studios not far away.
Yoga in the Bronx | Zumba Classes | FinerStudio | Bronx NY (this isn't the only one, just the closest one dedicated to it.)


So anyway, there is nothing I'm advocating that isn't ALREADY THERE. But that is a non-sequitor. I'm BUYING property, not renting so who exactly am I pushing out? If you already own your property, than one can assume you have a fixed mortgage in most cases. Many people are lucky duckies and refi'd at a 2% interest rate, something almost impossible to attain today. Lastly, they paid significantly less for their property which means even if their income is less than mine, their bills are also a lot lower. All that to say, no one who owns their property is being pushed out of the area. The rental market is only loosely tied to the buyers market. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-re...and-rent-price

And what's your point? I'm a native New Yorker. This is my city. I was born here. I have lived here my entire life. So are you saying that I should pay 1/2 my salary or more to live somewhere that is a white area just because I'm white? Where should I go exactly?

Are you saying that as a home owner; I should have no interest in quality of life or investing in the single most significant financial investment in my life? The place where I will have a mortgage, and where I will be paying property tax for the next 30 years or until which time I retire and decide to sell and live elsewere?
Am in disagreement. Parkchester has a *sizable* black population, especially within the complex itself. You should post what their size is. They make the majority within the complex. *Outside* of the complex, the area is Hispanic and Asian (Bangladeshi, etc.).
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:26 PM
 
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Am in disagreement. Parkchester has a *sizable* black population, especially within the complex itself. You should post what their size is. They make the majority within the complex. *Outside* of the complex, the area is Hispanic and Asian (Bangladeshi, etc.).
I won't be living in the complex but outside of it. Are there actual numbers of demographics published for the complex itself? I haven't seen that. But I don't think that is relevant to the conversation. It's a bs premise that I can't live somewhere based on my skin color.
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:33 PM
 
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Am in disagreement. Parkchester has a *sizable* black population, especially within the complex itself. You should post what their size is. They make the majority within the complex. *Outside* of the complex, the area is Hispanic and Asian (Bangladeshi, etc.).
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edited to add US census data (although I suspect it has shifted since the last US census in 2010.)
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...xhtml?src=bkmk

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Old 08-12-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I won't be living in the complex but outside of it. Are there actual numbers of demographics published for the complex itself? I haven't seen that. But I don't think that is relevant to the conversation. It's a bs premise that I can't live somewhere based on my skin color.
Oh I dunno. Just saying that there is a sizable black population there.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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How so?
Based off of the very strong presence of multiple cultures. Not based off of the culture of that of what only white liberals desire. Who made them the ultimate judge? Is that why they don't care for freedom of religion?
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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Oh I dunno. Just saying that there is a sizable black population there.
I never said there wasn't. But Hispanic is the predominate population from everything I have read. I actually really don't care about that. I've lived around all folks in different areas during my life. I have lived in a predominately hispanic area, predominately korean area with a large population of hindi, predominately italian/irish area, predominiately older ashkenazi jewish, followed by russian bukharian, followed by polish/romanian/serbian and soon, Parkchester. If you are good people, you are good people. I prefer areas that have mixed ages. Nothing more boring than living in a neighborhood with a limited age demographic. I like old people. I like children. I like everything in between. I don't like people who live in exclusive communities where they aren't inclusive.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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Per 2010 data, Parkchester condo complex had a little less than 30,000 residents, of which a little over 15,000 were Latino (predominantly Puerto Rican and Dominican), 11,000 Black (incl Afro-American and immigrants from the Carribean or Africa), a little less than 4,000 Asian (mostly Bangladesh, Pakistan), and a little over 1,000 white (mostly elderly). At that time, there seemed to be a trend of Whites moving out to the cemetery, Blacks moving out to Atlanta, South Asians moving in, and Latinos moving in even more. Not sure where things stand now, or in the future, and race doesn't matter to me at all, I'd just like to see Parkchester free of any crime (which would probably imply a higher average level of education and more professionals). If they are Black professionals, I am fine with that, and assume they'd be fine with me not being Black too. The year is 2017, not 1850 or 1950, hello.
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