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Old 08-18-2017, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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David Duke, former Granddragon of the KKK, said and his other klansman and neo-confederates and neo nazis supported Trump. Trump's children being married to Jews are irrelevant. Politically it's quite clear he has the backing of neo confederates/neo nazis and he refused to unconditionally condemn them. Nazis are his political base.

It got so bad all the CEOs left his councils, and a number of Republicans had to condemn white supremacy and Trump himself.

But we all know there will be more protests, and fights at these protests.

The DOW is down 274 points. Could all this political violence/drama crash the stock market? What would the affects be on NYC (and LA, and SF, and Boston) real estate prices?

Could the neo confederate drama scare away foreign tourists from the US and from NYC? There will be a lot more consequences to this.
Take a look at the timing of the Spain attacks and the drop in the market.
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:29 PM
 
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Huh? Jackson was a US president and died well before the civil war. He has nothing to do with the Confederacy nor is he symbolic of the confederacy.
Ask a Seminole of their opinion.
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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Huh? Jackson was a US president and died well before the civil war. He has nothing to do with the Confederacy nor is he symbolic of the confederacy.

This is what's wrong about people's understanding of history. It is because the effects outlive the causes that few people are able to tie them together. Jackson's actions as president greatly influenced the Confederacy, as did the actions of those who came before him such as Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and even the yankee Aaron Burr. And the Confederacy was more than just about slavery.
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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He acted like he didn't know about him at first.
They have him rejecting David Duke on record long before that. Media forgot to report it I guess.
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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I bet these nuts cases will called for the name change of washington heights And the george washington bridge
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Old 08-18-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: NYC-LBI-PHL
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Alexander Stephens Vice President of the Confederacy in his cornerstone speech says it all

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Here is the whole speech by Stephens.
https://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras27.../stephens.html
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Old 08-18-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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Alexander Stephens Vice President of the Confederacy in his cornerstone speech says it all

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Here is the whole speech by Stephens.
https://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras27.../stephens.html

No, it does not say all. There were practical issues also. Confederates and their forebears had a bias for agriculture over industry and international trade. They did not want to spend on big government programs like a professional military and a central bank. Some of them even opposed having a common currency. These were irreconcilable differences with the urban coastal regions that went beyond slavery.
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Old 08-18-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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Didn't NYC rely on cotton for a good portion of their trade prior to the war? I remember reading or seeing in some documentary that the whole ordeal caused a bit of an economic downturn because of how economically we were tied with the south. It wasn't until we were producing for the military did our views shift.

The Draft Riots were pretty bad too. I recall reading something along the lines that because the Irish and Blacks were vieing for the same bottom of the barrel jobs, a lot of recoil was against Blacks.

Times were just different, reconstruction in the South I read was a bit of a failure and America had other things to worry about like the economic depression in the 1870s which was then referred to as the Great Depression, the massive influx of immigrants in the late 1800s and early 1900s, working conditions, etc. I don't think we were even able to afford to build the Statue of Liberty when we first got the arm. I have a feeling we weren't concerned about people erecting statues everywhere about the Confederacy.
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Old 08-18-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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Money does not always Trump racism. It certainly didn't during the Holocaust in Europe. Jews, Gypsies, Gays, and other unwanted people were slaughtered regardless of financial resources.

Regardless of financial resources, Black people were legally denied housing and education until the 60s and 70s.

Native Americans were the victims of genocide regardless of money.

Japanese killed millions of Chinese regardless of money.

To say money is always going to Trump racism is utter foolishness.

In the 90s when Croats and Muslims were being slaughtered by Serbs, it wasn't a matter of checking one's bank account.

And by the way the vast majority of Jews did not support Trump because of the white supremacists in his cabinet.
Black people were denied the basic civil right of property ownership in thanks to the Democrats.
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Old 08-18-2017, 02:03 PM
 
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people still holding deary to a losing side.
south lost and they should just move on. specially in 2017
Only US has such ****ty race situation
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