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Old 11-10-2017, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Old 11-10-2017, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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shove all the homeless inside DeBlasio's rental home in Park Slope
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:34 PM
 
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Between this and the decriminalization of quality of life crimes (drinking in public, sleeping in public, public urination etc), yes. Expect more “hobo” type homeless people on the street. I disliked Bloomberg’s policy of harassing them away, as it does nothing to address the problem of mental health and addiction.
Neither does just letting them waste away on the streets


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And a reminder, most homeless people are not the hobos you see on the street. Most are ordinary people who hit financial hardships after loss of a job, medical debt, escaping domestic violence or whatever. And if they’re moving all the way to nyc because whatever town they’re in doesn’t even provide them shelter, well then taking care of them is our civic duty and no one should be complaining.
Why should we aid flyover states in skirting their moral and civic duty to their own? Also, if NY thinks it can go back to being a welfare capital it better think again. That sank the city financially in the 1970s and back then the feds actually funded things. It'd be way worse now.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:02 PM
 
Location: New York City
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It's not the government's responsibility to house people that can't house themselves

You can give them job training and counseling, mental health treatment if applicable, but the government cannot be in the business of housing the masses of homeless it's not sustainable
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:49 AM
 
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One reason you see so many more homeless on the streets of NYC is due once again to backwards polices.


Starting around 1955 NYS and NYC did all they could to put SROs and boarding houses out of business. And through various methods they have succeeded. However both forms of housing fill a vital need.


Now that they are by and large mostly gone people who could maybe scratch up a few hundred or so per month to "rent a room", now literally have no place to go. Well there is the vast and never ending shelter system, and that is the city's fault


SROs don't have to be the nasty Bowery flop houses of old either:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/r...h-a-twist.html




http://www.cunylawreview.org/wp-cont...pancy-copy.pdf




http://www.nyshcr.org/Rent/FactSheets/orafac42.pdf
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Isnt renting rooms the majority of young professionals here? Its like the unspoken truth. I talk with people who have been here for decades now and most of them have rent stabilized apartments and that is still the norm for them, but the numbers do not add up as easily for this next generation.

You say you can rent rooms for just a few hundred per month. Where? You mean somewhere else far away, not this city...
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Staten Island
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It's not the government's responsibility to house people that can't house themselves

You can give them job training and counseling, mental health treatment if applicable, but the government cannot be in the business of housing the masses of homeless it's not sustainable
Actually it is. Humans need food, water and shelter for immediate basic survival. Housing doesn’t mean a 2 story house with a lawn and picket fence. It can be something as simple as a trailer. Housing isn’t a luxury, it’s a necessity for life and therefore it is the government’s business.

Our current system of bouncing the homeless between hospitals because they keep getting sick thanks to lack of shelter is not sustainable.

It actually saves the government money to provide housing. Homeless people with shelter use fewer medical resources and are more likely to quit drugs or get a job.

The amount is f selfishness and egotism in this thread is incredible. THOSE awful low class people I don’t like don’t deserve housing, suffering and dying on the streets is something they deserve. Meanwhile they’re benefiting from government services like tap water, pollution controls, building and fire codes, paved roads. SMH
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Actually it is. Humans need food, water and shelter for immediate basic survival. Housing doesn’t mean a 2 story house with a lawn and picket fence. It can be something as simple as a trailer. Housing isn’t a luxury, it’s a necessity for life and therefore it is the government’s business.
No it's not, people are responsible for their own lives. Emergency shelters are one thing, but permanent housing and handouts for people are completely unacceptable. There is work to be had, lots of honest hard working jobs albeit for low pay but there to be had if one is willing to work for it. Nobody deserves a hand out, quite the opposite
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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It's not the government's responsibility to house people that can't house themselves


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn NY
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Seriously ? Promoting the general welfare does not equate to promoting or creating the type of welfare that most people think of today. Welfare means the promotion of health, happiness or fortunes. This does not mean creating it through government entitlements/handouts.

I definitely have no issue with temporary services/housing for those that have fallen on hard times but these people need to be committed to improving their lives by being employed and not being involved with lifestyles or people that have placed them in the positions of where they are today.
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