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Old 01-02-2018, 10:41 PM
 
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Serious question. Why SI? It's the borough with the highest median household incomes. It's a bastion of Republicans who are all about family values and law and order. It has the highest concentration of those who enforce the law for a living.

I have my theories but I want to hear others. I'm sure there are angles I haven't/will never think about.
I think you just answered all of your questions.

Borough with the highest median household income = more money to afford drugs
Family values and law and order = festers rebellions
Highest concentration of those who enforce the law for a living = more OT for them

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Old 01-04-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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Borough with the highest median household income = more money to afford drugs
Family values and law and order = festers rebellions
Highest concentration of those who enforce the law for a living = more OT for them
"Why dear Watson, I think you've got it". But what do you mean by OT?
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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"Why dear Watson, I think you've got it". But what do you mean by OT?
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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I really don't understand all this blame of "dealers" and "suppliers". The majority of people in NYC aren't drug users even though NYC is awash in these drugs (per your post above). What does that make those who become junkies?

There has to be another reason(s)
I blame dealers and suppliers.....are you one of them.....LOL? The more dealers and suppliers, the more temptations there are. And Heroin, is being sold for a few dollars, so it can be purchased easily. There is a multitude of people that have "Addictive Personalities Structures," in their brain, and are easily influenced when that personality takes over, and the temptations are every where. Case in point: I used to live in Manhattan, many years ago, on 12th street, and Avenue A. I was young, but not naive. When I used to come home, by the entrance of the building, with a locked door, and a small foyer, there were every week drug abusers of Heroin, slumping to the ground floor, and sleeping there. And even though I was very young, I said to myself: "'I will never allow anyone to induce me into taking drugs."' I choose my friends carefully, and even though the neighborhood was brimming with drug users, I never used drugs.....not even Marijuana, no alcohol...no gambling, no smoking, no overeating.... either....

Luckily, I do not exhibit an Addictive Personality Structure. Many addictions run in families.....what a child sees, is what he/she does..... it is called LEARNED BEHAVIOR......

If the "fat, short rocket-man," from North Korea wants to destroy the USA, what can bring a nation down to its knees more than Heroin? It destroys families, it destroys the individual that uses it, and it is very-hard to stop using it, once a person is hooked. Who are the worst losers in the family? The little children, teens, etc. There is nothing more devastating than seeing a mother giving birth to an addicted baby on Heroin. Just writing about this makes me very, very angry!!!!!!
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:01 PM
 
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I blame dealers and suppliers.....are you one of them.....LOL? The more dealers and suppliers, the more temptations there are. And Heroin, is being sold for a few dollars, so it can be purchased easily. There is a multitude of people that have "Addictive Personalities Structures," in their brain, and are easily influenced when that personality takes over, and the temptations are every where. Case in point: I used to live in Manhattan, many years ago, on 12th street, and Avenue A. I was young, but not naive. When I used to come home, by the entrance of the building, with a locked door, and a small foyer, there were every week drug abusers of Heroin, slumping to the ground floor, and sleeping there. And even though I was very young, I said to myself: "'I will never allow anyone to induce me into taking drugs."' I choose my friends carefully, and even though the neighborhood was brimming with drug users, I never used drugs.....not even Marijuana, no alcohol...no gambling, no smoking, no overeating.... either....

Luckily, I do not exhibit an Addictive Personality Structure. Many addictions run in families.....what a child sees, is what he/she does..... it is called LEARNED BEHAVIOR......

If the "fat, short rocket-man," from North Korea wants to destroy the USA, what can bring a nation down to its knees more than Heroin? It destroys families, it destroys the individual that uses it, and it is very-hard to stop using it, once a person is hooked. Who are the worst losers in the family? The little children, teens, etc. There is nothing more devastating than seeing a mother giving birth to an addicted baby on Heroin. Just writing about this makes me very, very angry!!!!!!
A lot of things are tempting and cheap. So what? I can drink as much soda as I want. I can eat as much fast food as I want. I can buy a hammer for $5 and go on a killing spree. At the end of the day, individuals are responsible for actions that they carry out of their own free will.

If dealers and suppliers coerced individuals into doing drugs then I'd certainly blame them but to me they're merely supplying demand.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:03 PM
 
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Maybe the docs share 20% of the blame for some of the opiod use. But the majority of opiod purchase and use has nothing to do with 20 pills being prescribed to one person in each house hold by a doc. If this was truly the case the pharmacy lines would be long as hell constantly re-upping supplies or pulling up to the back to collect boxes of pills.

Illegal pills are being imported by the millions monthly into the united states. It is easier to blame the one rogue doctor or one person selling loosies on the corner than hold the upper class drug and controlled substance dealer and illegal cigarette distributer who are truly responsible for ruining neighborhoods and causing such destruction among families.

Law enforcement and the families are not serious about confronting and eliminating the true source of these opiods.

They would rather administer narcan and allocate 5 officers to apprehend a low level dealer on the corner than the importers in great neck, whitestone, Forrest hills, Manhattan etc. Until then, drugs (illegal cigarettes) and other vices will pour into neighborhoods and keep residents who lack will power addicted. The local fentanyl dealer is 95% likely to have a chinese supplier at the top who lives in an upper class neighborhood who is importing this deadly opiod. Why are we not aggressively going after them and making an example with heavy sentencing is a question for another day.
Because quite frankly the war on drugs was repeatedly lost.

Part of the reason why people do drugs it because it is COOL to be BAD and do illegal/bad things.

Which is why drugs should be legalized and regulated, or at the least decriminalized. Portugal has decriminalized all drugs, and decriminalization has spread across Europe.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:34 PM
 
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Old 01-04-2018, 09:09 PM
 
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A lot of things are tempting and cheap. So what? I can drink as much soda as I want. I can eat as much fast food as I want. I can buy a hammer for $5 and go on a killing spree. At the end of the day, individuals are responsible for actions that they carry out of their own free will.

If dealers and suppliers coerced individuals into doing drugs then I'd certainly blame them but to me they're merely supplying demand.
Addiction is merely someone using something to feel a certain way all the time. Whether it's narcotics, prescription pills, caffeine, sex, porn, TV, the internet, or whatever. People do indeed have sugar or food addictions.

Addiction is psychological. It's never really about the drug.

I used my share of drugs in the past. When you stop something, though there are physical withdrawal symptoms (sleepiness, sweats, etc) it's not like you just magically are just drawn to whatever drug (and believe me I've done my share, shall we say).

People use drugs because they want to FEEL a certain way all the time. Users know exactly what they are doing, even those who destroy their health and OD.

If someone is suicidal and does whatever drug to the point where it destroys their live (this happens with legal drugs such as alcohol), NOTHING can stop them. A person has to PERSONALLY want to stop using whatever drug.

Certain drugs are imported, but many can be made or grown domestically. Unless the government wants to put over half the population is prison permanently it is IMPOSSIBLE for law enforcement to eliminate all drug use.

As far as the imported drugs, so long as the US has foreign trade with other countries, it will always be easy to bring drugs in via cargo. The US imports stuff like sugar, bananas, certain spices from various parts of Mexico, Central and South America. Of course cocaine is smuggled in that way. (There are people who put drugs in condoms and put them up their butts as well, but these are smaller quantities).
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Old 01-05-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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It definitely started with pills, everyone privy to real research on this matter agrees on that point. Since Staten Island has the highest employment rate, which likely translates into highest rate of quality medical coverage, it only makes sense that doctors were overprescribing an easy fix to people who had the coverage to pay for it.

The "epidemic" was so focused on pills at one point that the powers that be were actually afraid to start cracking down because they knew heroin would explode once pills were hard to get. What happened? Exactly what they feared: heroin exploded.

Unfortunately, I have a Narcan kit in the drawer under my right arm. Narcan gives junkies a false sense a security and emboldens them. We should not be providing it for free, not when epipens are $200-300 for people like me who have food allergies.

Thankfully, it appears (at least on the street) to be slowing down. New Users are not coming into the game as quickly anymore since the most available route is to go straight to heroin. They aren't be hooked in through the more "acceptable" steps.
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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It definitely started with pills, everyone privy to real research on this matter agrees on that point. Since Staten Island has the highest employment rate, which likely translates into highest rate of quality medical coverage, it only makes sense that doctors were overprescribing an easy fix to people who had the coverage to pay for it.

The "epidemic" was so focused on pills at one point that the powers that be were actually afraid to start cracking down because they knew heroin would explode once pills were hard to get. What happened? Exactly what they feared: heroin exploded.

Unfortunately, I have a Narcan kit in the drawer under my right arm. Narcan gives junkies a false sense a security and emboldens them. We should not be providing it for free, not when epipens are $200-300 for people like me who have food allergies.

Thankfully, it appears (at least on the street) to be slowing down. New Users are not coming into the game as quickly anymore since the most available route is to go straight to heroin. They aren't be hooked in through the more "acceptable" steps.
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