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Old 01-07-2018, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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Governor Andrew Cuomo is hoping to bring major changes to Red Hook, just one of the proposals he will talk about in his 2018 state of the state address. The changes he wants to bring about focus on extending a subway line to Red Hook, and opening up more of its waterfront for community activities. Cuomo will ask the MTA to study the potential of extending subway service from Lower Manhattan to Red Hook via a new underwater tunnel. While this proposal is still in the very early stages, it comes in the midst of a subway crisis for the city—the MTA has proposed a $836 million to fix the ailing system.

Separately, Cuomo is calling on the Port Authority to relocate maritime operations from the Red Hook Container Terminal to the South Brooklyn Marine Terminal in Sunset Park. This would potentially consolidate shipping activities in South Brooklyn, and free up waterfront space in Red Hook.

Once these studies have been completed, the governor will call on these agencies to launch a community review process for the projects. We will be sure to update this post following the Governor’s state of the state speech.

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/1/2/16842...ttan-extension
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Cuomo is so out of touch with what’s happening in the city. There are very few people in Red Hook.

Meanwhile, you’ve got places in eastern Queens that have explosive growth like Flushing, College Point, Bayside, Pomonok, Murray Hills, Fresh Meadows but very little subway service. Just look at all the bus stops in and around the 7 train terminal in downtown Flushing. The lines are block long, all the time.

Those are the places the subways need to be extended, where there is great demand.
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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This makes sense for the handful of multimillionaires that are looking to buy those new modern day rowhouses in Red Hook. So what if there are 8 million other people on this island that have difficulties getting to their source of employment.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:07 AM
 
Location: JC
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Developers have big interests in Red Hook since it has the proximity and waterfront views. A new subway could help build up lots of big luxury rentals and million dollar condos. I'm not claiming to agree with putting Red Hook ahead of places like Flushing but I can see why those indebted to big developers want to focus on potentially glitzy neighborhoods.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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Cuomo is so out of touch with what’s happening in the city. There are very few people in Red Hook.

Meanwhile, you’ve got places in eastern Queens that have explosive growth like Flushing, College Point, Bayside, Pomonok, Murray Hills, Fresh Meadows but very little subway service. Just look at all the bus stops in and around the 7 train terminal in downtown Flushing. The lines are block long, all the time.

Those are the places the subways need to be extended, where there is great demand.
All well and good but these places don't have the potential to be the next LIC and attract major businesses.

I agree with you that subway expansion is badly needed into residential communities but this proposal makes sense.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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All well and good but these places don't have the potential to be the next LIC and attract major businesses.

I agree with you that subway expansion is badly needed into residential communities but this proposal makes sense.
This proposal would only make sense if the construction, maintenance and operation were more or less completely funded by developers on top of funding for other infrastructure such as schools and flood protection, but there is no indication of this.

There are other parts of the city with existing infrastructure and far less prone to flooding that can build higher and denser. Making Broadway Junction and Jamaica station into large hubs is more sensible unless developers want to pony up.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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What is wrong with people in office these day? If they cant even fix that damn subway system with constant delay, why bother with extension. This is just stupid.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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All well and good but these places don't have the potential to be the next LIC and attract major businesses.

I agree with you that subway expansion is badly needed into residential communities but this proposal makes sense.
Most of the development in LIC is residential. Not many major businesses have gone to LIC and its already had multiple subway lines to Midtown for over a century. What makes you think anyone will now want to go to Red Hook, which is even less attractive with just this one (proposed) line?
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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Most of the development in LIC is residential. Not many major businesses have gone to LIC and its already had multiple subway lines to Midtown for over a century. What makes you think anyone will now want to go to Red Hook, which is even less attractive with just this one (proposed) line?
Worse than that, a 1 train extension is limited in the amount of people it can bring into the development so the workforce access is limited. Long Island City at least has some decent potential to develop into a business hub because there are several train lines from different directions that can feed into it. Unless this 1 train extension includes a massive extension into Brooklyn with several transfer points, then this is pretty useless for anything but a feeder into the financial district from Red Hook.

There are several more rational choices if employment hubs were the goal. There are several better areas for extensions of the subway that make sense in terms of upzoning for housing. This one strikes me as little more than a waterfront condo developer giveaway. Now if they were to pay for the full brunt of what’s necessary for this and then some for paying for more needed expansions, sure, but there’s no indication of this.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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Most of the development in LIC is residential. Not many major businesses have gone to LIC and its already had multiple subway lines to Midtown for over a century. What makes you think anyone will now want to go to Red Hook, which is even less attractive with just this one (proposed) line?
Pretty much this^^^^ and the biggest private employer in LIC citibank is gonna move out of LIC over the next few years to lower Manhattan. All non core functions that don't fit into their lower Manhattan office or jersey city will be moved to other cities or off shored. So besides giving big developers everything for free what is the local govt gonna do in terms of lowering taxes to attract more talent and companies to NYC?
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