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I avoid congestion. I hate traffic. Plus there is no M train at the moment, and the same fate is in store for the L train. I will be charged a congestion tax when I am not even entering congested territory. And for the record I do take the train, and bus, and ferry, and drive. I like options. Traffic in the outerboros will be negatively impacted as a result of this.
You will only be charged for entering the congested areas during peak periods. The people complaining about this on here need to learn how to read. Additionally for the thousands of the commuters that have to work in Manhattan and use public transportation to get in, this will hopefully make their commutes better, especially those that need the express buses or use carpooling. Traffic has become almost impossible in Manhattan, and the status quo cannot continue. Those who must drive in should pay for it since the goal is to get these people to use public transportation like the rest of us do that commute to Manhattan, not drive.
What people don't seem to get or refuse to get is Manhattan is only but so big and there simply isn't enough space for all of these people to keep driving in. What needs to be analyzed especially is Uber and all of the other car services because they too are causing an incredible amount of congestion unnecessarily just idling looking for customers to pick-up.
Congestion pricing is a transplant scheme to suburbanize you? Are you off your meds, G-dog?
Charge these suckers, like tourists who use taxis when they go on their dream Manhattan vacation or drive in on a family trip, and use that money to fix our infrastructure. Nothing wrong with that. Do you know what the stats are for outer borough residents commuting into Midtown and Downtown by car actually is? It’s minuscule.
I’d like to see this paired with a RFID transit card system where residents get charged as is now and everyone else get an extra surcharge.
Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...and we'll see nothing from it but inflation and an empty city.
Tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax...and we'll see nothing from it but inflation and an empty city.
More space for me.
Did London and Singapore empty out after congestion pricing? You’re talking about a tax that hits a small portion of New Yorkers, generally those who can afford it, and is supposed to be put towards mass transit and easing congestion which most New Yorkers have to deal with on a daily basis. I’d agree that if this isn’t tied to some clear and explicit funding for transit within NYC and the Tri-State area, but that’s not what you said.
M train is your train and it’s going to be back online when this goes into effect. And now there might be money to actually improve and maintain it. If this thing is in place with restrictions to fund only transit and infrastructure, then there might actually be the money to:
- fix the signals for fewer delays (including on the M) and have higher frequencies and speeds
- have a Triboro RX that would give your neighborhood access to more of the outer boroughs without going through Manhattan
- make a merged G and J/M/Z complex where they intersect
- make a circle line for the M that goes down from Jackson Heights and connects to its Middle Village terminus
That first one is necessary and is happening, the second one possible, the other two not really on the table but would be great. However, any of these including the first one need funding.
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You will only be charged for entering the congested areas during peak periods. The people complaining about this on here need to learn how to read. Additionally for the thousands of the commuters that have to work in Manhattan and use public transportation to get in, this will hopefully make their commutes better, especially those that need the express buses or use carpooling. Traffic has become almost impossible in Manhattan, and the status quo cannot continue. Those who must drive in should pay for it since the goal is to get these people to use public transportation like the rest of us do that commute to Manhattan, not drive.
What people don't seem to get or refuse to get is Manhattan is only but so big and there simply isn't enough space for all of these people to keep driving in. What needs to be analyzed especially is Uber and all of the other car services because they too are causing an incredible amount of congestion unnecessarily just idling looking for customers to pick-up.
Don't worry, there will always be more taxes to come. This is just the start. They'll go one bridge at a time.
Did London and Singapore empty out after congestion pricing? You’re talking about a tax that hits a small portion of New Yorkers, generally those who can afford it, and is supposed to be put towards mass transit and easing congestion which most New Yorkers have to deal with on a daily basis. I’d agree that if this isn’t tied to some clear and explicit funding for transit within NYC and the Tri-State area, but that’s not what you said.
M train is your train and it’s going to be back online when this goes into effect. And now there might be money to actually improve and maintain it. If this thing is in place with restrictions to fund only transit and infrastructure, then there might actually be the money to:
- fix the signals for fewer delays (including on the M) and have higher frequencies and speeds
- have a Triboro RX that would give your neighborhood access to more of the outer boroughs without going through Manhattan
- make a merged G and J/M/Z complex where they intersect
- make a circle line for the M that goes down from Jackson Heights and connects to its Middle Village terminus
That first one is necessary and is happening, the second one possible, the other two not really on the table but would be great. However, any of these including the first one need funding.
London moved all the jobs out of the City. And now even some out of the country.
Singapore?
Neither are NYC.
Everything you note above sounds expensive. I personally rather drive people out of the city by survival of the fittest, not by who has the fattest pockets.
Fake white progressives are against a wall along the Mexican border, but perfectly fine with one on the East River.
You will only be charged for entering the congested areas during peak periods. The people complaining about this on here need to learn how to read. Additionally for the thousands of the commuters that have to work in Manhattan and use public transportation to get in, this will hopefully make their commutes better, especially those that need the express buses or use carpooling. Traffic has become almost impossible in Manhattan, and the status quo cannot continue. Those who must drive in should pay for it since the goal is to get these people to use public transportation like the rest of us do that commute to Manhattan, not drive.
What people don't seem to get or refuse to get is Manhattan is only but so big and there simply isn't enough space for all of these people to keep driving in. What needs to be analyzed especially is Uber and all of the other car services because they too are causing an incredible amount of congestion unnecessarily just idling looking for customers to pick-up.
Uber is the best and worst thing that could have ever happened. These uber drivers drive me insane when they slowly drive around waiting to pick up fares or idling in an area resulting in congestion.
I am all for congestion pricing. NYC has a finite number of roadways to deal with an ever growing population and resulting cars. I went to the city two weeks ago for an art exhibit. I decided to have a late lunch after and considered ubering the 4 blocks because it was so cold.
My gps showed the same time walking to the destination as driving. I simply bundled up and walked it. That is insane that I can walk at the same speed of a car in Manhattan.
Plenty of lower income outer borough New Yorkers own cars or take cabs/ubers into Manhattan
LIRR has many convenient stops in QUEENS. Metro north has stops in the Bronx. It is costlier and time consuming to drive to these areas where congestion pricing would be in effect from the outer borough.
The MTA should implement the freedom ticket, increase train services on regular trains and lirr city stops. Make the LIRR portion discounted after peak times in the city zone areas to encourage more people to use it.
Lower income and ubering into manhattan doesn't quite make sense. It is nowhere near the most cost effective or efficient way of getting there.
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