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According to the report, 118,000 residents or roughly 4% of outer borough residents commute to Manhattan in a vehicle. Most are higher income and moderate income individuals.
Census data indicate that only four percent of outer borough working residents commute to jobs in Manhattan in a vehicle, or approximately 118,000 residents. Of those 118,000, more than half are higher income individuals, more than a quarter are moderate income individuals and less than 5,000 of them qualify as working poor. Compare those numbers to the 2.2 million New York City residents, including 190,000 of the working poor, who rely on mass transit to get to work day in and day out, and who would benefit from transit improvements paid for by the zone pricing plan. Consideration should be given to a tax benefit for these lower income commuters most impacted by the pricing zone who have no choice but to commute in vehicles.
All good for me. If you want to drive a car in the city, pay for accessing the road. Simple as that. Like the saying, there's no free lunch in this world.
People who feel entitled to exacerbate an already congested driving condition because it is their right to drive into the city are just as entintled as those who think a lanlord should absorb the rising cost of housing them.
It is horrible driving in some areas of Manhattan at peak times. It is also creating a health hazard (smog from more cars/idling cars). Over 80% of Manhattan and outer borough residents use mass transit and the roads are still congested. You can continue driving and further contribute to the congestion. It is just going to cost you more.
LIRR has many convenient stops in QUEENS. Metro north has stops in the Bronx. It is costlier and time consuming to drive to these areas where congestion pricing would be in effect from the outer borough.
The MTA should implement the freedom ticket, increase train services on regular trains and lirr city stops. Make the LIRR portion discounted after peak times in the city zone areas to encourage more people to use it.
Lower income and ubering into manhattan doesn't quite make sense. It is nowhere near the most cost effective or efficient way of getting there.
Yes, MTA’s CityTicket program should be expanded to all times for NYC residents. There are two projects happening with LIRR right now which should be able to up the frequency levels. One is East Side Access giving another terminal at Grand Central and the other is a rejiggering of Jamaica station to allow Atlantic terminal bound trains an easier crossing over to those tracks so as to not be a bottleneck.
What needs to eventually happen is to really be able to have these be useful and affordable for city residents. The commuter train systems need to be interoperable and the terminal stations need to be through-running with more stops in the core. This means frequencies for all branches can be upped and the interlined parts within the city can actually be used as express rapid transit service by city residents.
The excuse is always, "we need money for the MTA." Do any of you even take the train? Until lately since Trump arrived and a lot of illegals started running for the hills. The train would be totally packed early morning, afternoon, and at night I mean sardine packed. This revenue is sufficient to fix any issues that involves the MTA. It's a money grab. A lie.
Cuomo stated his money grab last week, with added payroll taxes and this SHAM and hypocrisy called congestion pricing.
Only a moron would believe that the problems caused by bureaucratic mismanagement, should be solved and will be solved by taxing the same people effected by the same mismanagement.
It is pure greed... the bottom-feeders are raising their heads. NYC is effected negatively by Trumps tax plan, because of this same financial resident oppression...what is Cuomo's answer to Trumps tax plan... double down and continue the oppression even further.
After DeBlasio and Cuomo who would ever vote again for Democrats...everywhere they are in power is in shambles or bankrupted...California, Chicago... Most people are running from these oppressive states.
In any good con...the truth is manipulated...we agree on the truth, but why do we agree that it is the people must pay by taxation. Especially things like soda consumption, plastic bags reduction, traffic????
The place is full of rats, dirty garbage everywhere, prices unnecessarily high for rents and traffic tickets, illegals everywhere proudly diminishing opportunities where is all of this money going... who is the beneficiary of all of this? Maybe this is why they hate Trump, because it is all rigged George Orwell 1984 Rigged.
The excuse is always, "we need money for the MTA." Do any of you even take the train? Until lately since Trump arrived and a lot of illegals started running for the hills. The train would be totally packed early morning, afternoon, and at night I mean sardine packed. This revenue is sufficient to fix any issues that involves the MTA. It's a money grab. A lie.
Cuomo stated his money grab last week, with added payroll taxes and this SHAM and hypocrisy called congestion pricing.
Only a moron would believe that the problems caused by bureaucratic mismanagement, should be solved and will be solved by taxing the same people effected by the same mismanagement.
It is pure greed... the bottom-feeders are raising their heads. NYC is effected negatively by Trumps tax plan, because of this same financial resident oppression...what is Cuomo's answer to Trumps tax plan... double down and continue the oppression even further.
After DeBlasio and Cuomo who would ever vote again for Democrats...everywhere they are in power is in shambles or bankrupted...California, Chicago... Most people are running from these oppressive states.
In any good con...the truth is manipulated...we agree on the truth, but why do we agree that it is the people must pay by taxation. Especially things like soda consumption, plastic bags reduction, traffic????
The place is full of rats, dirty garbage everywhere, prices unnecessarily high for rents and traffic tickets, illegals everywhere proudly diminishing opportunities where is all of this money going... who is the beneficiary of all of this? Maybe this is why they hate Trump, because it is all rigged George Orwell 1984 Rigged.
I think Cuomo is awful, but he’s awful because a lot of his plans are stupid and his will to do anything useful such as rooting out corruption is generally limp-wristed if not outright antagonistic. This plan in itself is not bad—the problem is how the funds are handled afterwards. Part of the current day issues with the system is actually a result of not enough funding. Not just today, but decades of deferred maintenance with only a brief period of trying to tackle that backlog in the late 80s to a part of the 90s before that fell apart again. Now the backlog has grown again and fixes from a couple decades before are now falling apart again since they have not received their needed maintenance. This helps fix that. Of course, it by itsef does not fix it, because as you point out, there is the question of how these funds are handled and if there is legislative language that locks these proceeds to fixing and expanding NYC’s transit system. These are not mutually exclusive however—they need to both be done.
Also, California is not bankrupt. Who gave you that crazy idea? Your frame of reference is probably from headlines several years ago as California was among the hardest hit states due to the subprime mortgage crisis. That has turned around as Jerry Brown, for the most part, is a mostly fiscally responsible governor who raised taxes and lessened state liabilities. Before that time, Texas’ governor had been particularly fond of crowing about luring corporate headquarters except that turned around with some of the most profitable new companies in the US being in that, or even homegrown, in California. Have you seen the different trajectories of their budget deficits over the last decade?
Your other example of Chicago does have crazy underfunded pensions from being hesitant to raise taxes when necessary early on and not working to limit its liabilities such as a pension. Even with that though, Chicago as a city is economically doing well with attracting more corporate headquarters in the last decade than it has in a long while and the median income and average education level has been rising. It’s economically one of the few bright spots in Illinois.
One thing California, Chicago and NYC do have in common is that all three are massively net contributors of federal revenue per capita versus federal spending per capita.
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Call it "Cuomo's Money Grab"
