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I said no such thing. The original post is about the record low number of unemployment in NYC, and I merely posted that.
For whatever reason, you and a couple of others decide to obsess about these exceptions to be ridiculously contrarian.
And no one has been able to demonstrate a substantial number of working homeless in NYC, and certainly not a statistically significant number.
You implied it...
"Homeless people are not a part of the job market, nor or people who are on welfare long term.........."
Those are your words. You don't know how many working people are homeless. The Times did an article on it. It's far more than you think. Not just an insignificant number.
NYC is a luxury market. It's no one's God given right to live in NYC. So if the person cannot make enough money in NYC to support themselves, it's up to them to find someplace that they can.
And yes if your job pays so little you have to work in the homeless shelter, you might as well beg for change and or food stamps. These people are just PLAIN stupid and there is nothing the government can do about that.
There is no government legislation that can fix people who simply have poor judgement.
NYC is a city, not a real estate showcase, and it takes all levels of working people to run a big city. If you took away all the "stupid" people who do low wage jobs, - oh, never mind. Of course, when they stop working for slave wages and beg, you'll complain about that. Apply for welfare, complain about that. What's a working stiff to do in your NYC? Oh, right, move out. So realistic.
If you want to call yourself Writerdude, you should know judgment is misspelled in your post.
NYC is a city, not a real estate showcase, and it takes all levels of working people to run a big city. If you took away all the "stupid" people who do low wage jobs, - oh, never mind. Of course, when they stop working for slave wages and beg, you'll complain about that. Apply for welfare, complain about that. What's a working stiff to do in your NYC? Oh, right, move out. So realistic.
If you want to call yourself Writerdude, you should know judgment is misspelled in your post.
My professional writing or work is not on this forum.
Actually people move out of wherever they live ALL the time in search of better opportunity. Half the people in NYC were born in other countries, and a huge percentage of people in NYC were born in other states. It's up to individual people to make the decisions as to where is the best place for them to live, and this is true around the world.
Anyone who works and lives in a NYC shelter is an IDIOT, plain and simple and right where they need to be. A few thousand idiots out of 8.5 million people. Boo hoo.
"Homeless people are not a part of the job market, nor or people who are on welfare long term.........."
Those are your words. You don't know how many working people are homeless. The Times did an article on it. It's far more than you think. Not just an insignificant number.
I know it's not the vast majority, and you have not presented evidence to demonstrate otherwise. You're arguing as an act of mental masturbation, but if you want to play with yourself use your hands.
Now if you have evidence of large numbers of working homeless people, please present it. Otherwise, it's time to shut your trap.
I stand by those comments, long term homeless people are not a part of the job market. People are homeless long term due to issues like mental illness, addiction, criminal records, etc.
I know it's not the vast majority, and you have not presented evidence to demonstrate otherwise. You're arguing as an act of mental masturbation, but if you want to play with yourself use your hands.
Now if you have evidence of large numbers of working homeless people, please present it. Otherwise, it's time to shut your trap.
I stand by those comments, long term homeless people are not a part of the job market. People are homeless long term due to issues like mental illness, addiction, criminal records, etc.
The Times and others have run various articles with WORKING people that are homeless. Since you asked for stats...
Over the last several months, I met a lot of working people like Ford-Benson while interviewing homeless New Yorkers. They cut hair, serve food, care for the elderly, and run after-school programs. They’re not an anomaly: 71 percent of the shelter population is made up of families, a third of whom have a head of household who is working. “The new working poor are homeless,” says Christine Quinn, the former City Council Speaker who now serves as chief executive for Win, a shelter provider for women and families. “A lot of them work for the city or not-for-profits. I can’t tell you I don’t have a Win employee living in a shelter somewhere.”
As one stated previously when including links to above NYT story; if you are lucky enough to be in "affordable" housing (RC, RS, NYCA, etc....), and aren't making bank but know how to hustle; then you'll likely be able to keep from being homeless.
OTOH once homeless and or trying to find an apartment in NYC, then unless you *are* making bank then things are going to be difficult.
One of the worst things NYC/NYS did was make new SRO housing illegal. That is one of the main reasons you are seeing such an increase in homeless persons who are employed.
People have jobs, just do not earn enough to afford private apartments and their options are dwindling fast as cheap areas of this city gentrify.
As one stated previously when including links to above NYT story; if you are lucky enough to be in "affordable" housing (RC, RS, NYCA, etc....), and aren't making bank but know how to hustle; then you'll likely be able to keep from being homeless.
OTOH once homeless and or trying to find an apartment in NYC, then unless you *are* making bank then things are going to be difficult.
One of the worst things NYC/NYS did was make new SRO housing illegal. That is one of the main reasons you are seeing such an increase in homeless persons who are employed.
People have jobs, just do not earn enough to afford private apartments and their options are dwindling fast as cheap areas of this city gentrify.
Some of the new communal living and micro apartments seem to be SROs of sorts in a new and oddly pricy form.
The Times and others have run various articles with WORKING people that are homeless. Since you asked for stats...
Over the last several months, I met a lot of working people like Ford-Benson while interviewing homeless New Yorkers. They cut hair, serve food, care for the elderly, and run after-school programs. They’re not an anomaly: 71 percent of the shelter population is made up of families, a third of whom have a head of household who is working. “The new working poor are homeless,” says Christine Quinn, the former City Council Speaker who now serves as chief executive for Win, a shelter provider for women and families. “A lot of them work for the city or not-for-profits. I can’t tell you I don’t have a Win employee living in a shelter somewhere.”
1/3 of families in shelters working is not the majority of a significant percentage of working people in NYC, and none of those articles claim that most WORKING New Yorkers are in danger of living in the shelter.
As one stated previously when including links to above NYT story; if you are lucky enough to be in "affordable" housing (RC, RS, NYCA, etc....), and aren't making bank but know how to hustle; then you'll likely be able to keep from being homeless.
OTOH once homeless and or trying to find an apartment in NYC, then unless you *are* making bank then things are going to be difficult.
One of the worst things NYC/NYS did was make new SRO housing illegal. That is one of the main reasons you are seeing such an increase in homeless persons who are employed.
People have jobs, just do not earn enough to afford private apartments and their options are dwindling fast as cheap areas of this city gentrify.
Of course there are lots of rooms available, and that's really what low income people in the city do. Share apartments.
Ever been in a neighborhood with lots of immigrants? Families share apartments.....
Of course the New York Times runs extra liberal pieces, and severely slants stories to push political points.....
And that includes unearthing stories of victims, and pushing that as the norm. Are working people en danger of long term homelessness generally? The answer is no.
Expensive housing in NYC? You don't need a visa to go upstate, Jersey, or other places. Renting a room is comparatively easy.
As for women with children, depending on what background they are from some of these women know how to game welfare pretty good. Get a part time job and work just 10 or so hours a week. Move into a shelter. Then become eligible for various welfare programs that pay for your housing. For most of these programs, the gateway to getting welfare long term is to STAY in a SHELTER for a certain period of time, and even better if one can get medical diagnoses of various disabilities.
That does not mean there is anything wrong with the city job market per say.
Of course there are lots of rooms available, and that's really what low income people in the city do. Share apartments.
Ever been in a neighborhood with lots of immigrants? Families share apartments.....
Of course the New York Times runs extra liberal pieces, and severely slants stories to push political points.....
And that includes unearthing stories of victims, and pushing that as the norm. Are working people en danger of long term homelessness generally? The answer is no.
Expensive housing in NYC? You don't need a visa to go upstate, Jersey, or other places. Renting a room is comparatively easy.
As for women with children, depending on what background they are from some of these women know how to game welfare pretty good. Get a part time job and work just 10 or so hours a week. Move into a shelter. Then become eligible for various welfare programs that pay for your housing. For most of these programs, the gateway to getting welfare long term is to STAY in a SHELTER for a certain period of time, and even better if one can get medical diagnoses of various disabilities.
That does not mean there is anything wrong with the city job market per say.
It's per se, not per say
You're not allowed to ghettoize terms on here, you went to Ivy League.
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