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I've read up on these in the past and the general research has this greatly reducing the overall cost to society especially in the spread of disease which at some point usually needs to get treated. The problems generally arise if these places are not strictly regulated and kept under watch, but instead become a no man's land kind of facility where sellers are also allowed to congregate. These are only effective if sellers are kept out and there is an adequate outreach program to try to get users to rehabilitate. Now, will this administration actually plan and execute this properly?
Proper execution is definitely important. But these centers save lives and work to bring people into systems of care. And they save money, too; you don't have to have the paramedics come running out every time somebody ODs in a McDonald's bathroom. They reduce the spread of illness (that has to get treated somehow). And they cut down on discarded sharps in the street, which I think we can all agree is desirable.
Old-fashioned opioids are CHEAP, btw. I would FAR RATHER have some addict taking his $10 of generic oxycodone a month and leading his sad harmless little life that he can afford than out there robbing people to pay for heroin--and then taking some bad stuff and ending up again with the paramedics and possibly the senseless death. But we won't go for that because "addiction bad!!!", as if addicts won't get their fix anyway.
Addicts aren't going away. The only question is how much unnecessary harm we want to cause before we bring ourselves to admit that.
A lot of the posters are ignorant about heroin and about this proposal. OP especially. OP posted “needle sharing” clinics LOL. No actuallt the point of this would be to prevent needle sharing and the spread of HIV and Hep C by providing for clean needles. This proposal makes sense because if we can heroin users to use in these clinics, there will be social services there that can engage them about treatment. There can be medical staff that prevent overdose. Heroin brought in by user and this will encourage users not to use when they find out there heroin has all kinds of crap in it. They’ll think about taking up the offers to go to methadone clinic after receiving educations.
My point is that this is an evidenced based practice for reducing heroin use and containing the spread of HIV
The difference is those things are used to DETER such things from continuing to REHABILITATE people. This just encourages it.
No one is DETERRED from doing those things by the POLICE.
First of all, the police are only a problem if they catch you. Party indoors, and there is absolutely nothing the cops can do because they cannot search homes without warrants, and you don't just get warrants. Investigations are expensive, and even if some dealer is busted it doesn't necessarily mean a judge will convict.
I'll openly admit to partying, and we never had problems with the people and that includes my Ivy League peers.
Now if you smoke weed or whatever outside, you might get busted by the cops by those are homeless or other low income people. I've lived in buildings where people just smoked weed or whatever other thing in the hallway or whatever place away from cameras.
Essentially governments around the world and in the US have admitted that they lost the war on drugs and cannot win.
A lot of the posters are ignorant about heroin and about this proposal. OP especially. OP posted “needle sharing” clinics LOL. No actuallt the point of this would be to prevent needle sharing and the spread of HIV and Hep C by providing for clean needles. This proposal makes sense because if we can heroin users to use in these clinics, there will be social services there that can engage them about treatment. There can be medical staff that prevent overdose. Heroin brought in by user and this will encourage users not to use when they find out there heroin has all kinds of crap in it. They’ll think about taking up the offers to go to methadone clinic after receiving educations.
My point is that this is an evidenced based practice for reducing heroin use and containing the spread of HIV
The point of this would also be to curb crime as addicts would be able to get treatment instead of being criminalized. What some posters are not understanding is laws against drugs do not stop people from using them at all, and all criminalization does is give people records, meaning the government has to spend lots of money on the criminal justice system, even after they are released (parole, halfway house, various welfare programs former inmates go on).
NYC isn't doing this too liberal, it simply cost the city way too much money to criminalize drugs. Oh, and with Cynthia Nixon in the race Cuomo is now saying he will legalize weed.
This is sick. Society is sick, there's a disease running rampant throughout modern thought. Leftism is a common name. Liberalism is often used, but there are good aspects to liberalism. Most times, an OD is the equivalent of society popping a pimple. What's next? Give them the heroin for free so they don't break into our cars to fund their habit?
I prefer to call myself a "democratic Communist"<the small "d" is important> rather than mamby pamby terms like leftist or liberal.
The parallel is conservative/rightists calling themselves what they really are: "neo-Nazis." And leaving out the "neo" isn't much of a stretch.
We need a war so one of us can at least. I’m fairly confident of my sides odds.
Real civil wars can decades at best for a country to cover, or perhaps not at all.
A civil war here could lead the nation to break up into multiple countries and in that case it would be the end of the current "America".
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