In need of a 3br apt in bronx ny (rent, roughest)

[rubygreta]

Originally Posted by mead

Actually just today the mayor's veto of the new Section 8 law was over-ridden by the City Council.

So technically no apartment building with 6 or more apartments can exclude you because of section 8. This is a new law, so I don't know how it will play out in reality though. (management companies might not even be aware of the change).

There must be ways around this. I suppose the landlord could require that prospective tenants prove that they have a certain amount of money in a bank account, and that they have a job (at least that would eliminate the non-working Section 8 tenants, who are usually not the most desirable people).

[mead]

Don't get me wrong. I'm definitely against this law. I think it will have a very negative impact on decent middle-class neighborhoods throughout the city. Keeping Section 8 tenants out of buildings is a good idea in my mind. I used to live in a building with a lot of section 8 people and all they would do is cause problems and make noise at all hours of the day.

Beyond all of the social problems that Section 8 tenants usually cause, I've read that Section 8 requires tons of paperwork for landlords, and a lot of them don't won't to deal with all of that red tape in order to get their rent money.

Landlords are usually very clever. I am sure they will be able to think up a reason, besides section 8 why a section 8 tenant should be kept out of their building. It will just require some creative thinking on the part of landlords.

Originally Posted by rubygreta

There must be ways around this. I suppose the landlord could require that prospective tenants prove that they have a certain amount of money in a bank account, and that they have a job (at least that would eliminate the non-working Section 8 tenants, who are usually not the most desirable people).

[Rudbeckia]

Originally Posted by rubygreta

JRock has a point. Section 8 pays far more to the landlords than what they could get in the open market. And the Section 8 rent is guaranteed.

I would guess the Section 8 rent for a 3-bedroom in the Bronx is somewhere around $1,500. It would be much better to give these families a one-way bus fare to the scores of cities around the country where 3-bedrooms rent for $500. This way there is at least some hope that one day they could get off public assistance. And getting people off public assistance is true compassion.

I think this is a good point. However, shipping off section 8 people to an area of the country where the cost of living is lower is only going to create new problems. It is, in a way, dumping some of New York City's problems off on another city. The best thing for the city to do would be to help these families figure out a way to get off public assistance and not to just displace them.

[Guywithacause]

Yes I agree with that statement Rudbeckia..but I think the city is just not in a position to solve any of these major social ills...it is a huge bloated bureacracy that maintains the status quo. The only real chance these people have is to get out of the problem and start fresh.

[Rudbeckia]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Yes I agree with that statement Rudbeckia..but I think the city is just not in a position to solve any of these major social ills...it is a huge bloated bureacracy that maintains the status quo. The only real chance these people have is to get out of the problem and start fresh.

These people have to find a way to make themselves valuable to society through education or a trade or whatever. That is there way out.....it does not matter what city they are in.....IMO.

[Guywithacause]

I think it does matter where you are. Do you think it is easier to go back to school and learn a trade for example, when you have a decent home, safe environment, good schools for your kids, clean streets, surrounded by respectful and reasonable people versus being in a crappy apt, surrounded by the ghetto subculture, fearing for your kids safety, putting them in horrendous schools, and dealing with all the crime and nasty overall environment that she will likely be relegated to as a section 8 tenant.

[Rudbeckia]

I understand what you are saying, but just b/c you move to another city, and live in a poorer part of that city, does not necessarily mean you are correcting your environment. NYC is not the only place with ghettos, crappy schools, crime.....etc...etc.

[Guywithacause]

True...but the idea is not to take them from one horrendous place into another! In that case...moving anywhere will not change a thing..which is why I said: nice home, decent environment, good people, good schools etc.

[Rudbeckia]

I'm just not sure that a person of limited means is going to up and move from a New York ghetto and find a town where they move into a nice home, good enviroment, good people and good schools. By all means, if this is possible I think the move would be great and good luck to them.

[Guywithacause]

Thats exactly what is happening in many cases, with Florida, Georgia and Texas being shining examples....there are many people moving there for a better life and new start.