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Old 05-26-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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I think you might actually be out of touch. That large Mexican descent population is a fairly recent turn of events for NYC. While you are perfectly right to say NYC is not known for its Mexican cuisine and that it does not compare with Southern California’s, the restaurants are certainly quite good and varied these days.

I’m a transplant mostly from southern California and complained frequently about the lack of good Mexican cuisine here initially. Since then, I’ve gotten to know more of the city’s neighborhoods and the number of real Mexican restaurants have greatly increased.
The difference between So Cal and NYC with regards to Mexican foods, is that in So Cal, many Mexicans *OWN* the shops and stands. Can't compare what they make over there in Cali, the best Mexican foods come from little hole in the walls made by Mexican grandmas making masa and tortillas by hand, aggressively spicing their foods. You can taste the difference in authenticity, the flavors, the HEAT, the ingredient sourcing right near Mexico, an all year growing season, etc. The pico de gallo in California is way better, cos they have access to Cali or Mexican tomatoes which are far superior to the crap tomatoes here. Yes, you can find Mexican restaurants here in NYC by using Yelp, but the vast majority are run by non-Mexicans, and if it's bougie or upscale ie places in the city, then run by some millionaire food entrepreneur and that means a diluted version. Less salt, less hot peppers, just generally blander. Mexicans came to NYC later than Cubans and Puerto Ricans, due to geographical reasons. They can't afford NYC rents to start up businesses as they have in So Cal, where they have a much longer history.
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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I would also add that more Tex-Mex and taco shops have opened in NYC in past 20 years, not really by Mexican immigration, but mostly the NYC food scene shifting to transplant tastes. They grew up eating more Mexican food than natives and I'll double down by saying, diluted Mexican food.. Prior to the 90's, there weren't any taquerias here, there was Burritoville, some random restaurants scattered throughout the city, and a few El Torito chains in midtown, that's it. Back then, there were no overpriced fried cheese curds or Lobster rolls here either.
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Old 05-26-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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The difference between So Cal and NYC with regards to Mexican foods, is that in So Cal, many Mexicans *OWN* the shops and stands. Can't compare what they make over there in Cali, the best Mexican foods come from little hole in the walls made by Mexican grandmas making masa and tortillas by hand, aggressively spicing their foods. You can taste the difference in authenticity, the flavors, the HEAT, the ingredient sourcing right near Mexico, an all year growing season, etc. The pico de gallo in California is way better, cos they have access to Cali or Mexican tomatoes which are far superior to the crap tomatoes here. Yes, you can find Mexican restaurants here in NYC by using Yelp, but the vast majority are run by non-Mexicans, and if it's bougie or upscale ie places in the city, then run by some millionaire food entrepreneur and that means a diluted version. Less salt, less hot peppers, just generally blander. Mexicans came to NYC later than Cubans and Puerto Ricans, due to geographical reasons. They can't afford NYC rents to start up businesses as they have in So Cal, where they have a much longer history.
They're run by Mexicans in New York too, there's a place I go to in Flatbush and I spoke to the owner who is from Mexico City. I don't know why you think these places aren't run by Mexicans. Do you have some sort of pro-California bias?

And yes Mexicans DO afford the rents here (both residential and commercial), even if it's difficult sometimes.
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Old 05-26-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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Ok, maybe not "Subways" but more in line of the Panda Express or hipster "Crif Dogs" of tacos.

Again, I don't doubt you can find a pretty good Mexican restaurant if search in the 5 boroughs, but it's not as readily available as it is in So Cal. I live downtown Manhattan, I cringe at the Mexican options and the ones that are here are totally overpriced fusion Mexican and different from authentic Mexican tastes. Just because there are taquerias here doesn't mean they're excellent. Here in NYC, you're more apt to find good Cuban, Puerto Rican or Jamaican food just due to a larger population and proximity through higher rates of immigration here. There simply way more Mexicans in the SW.
There are definitrly not more Cubans than Mexicans in NYC, this isn't Miami. In fact there are actually way more Mexicans than Cubans, it's not even close.

Mexicand aren't even that far behind Puerto Ricans
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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They're run by Mexicans in New York too, there's a place I go to in Flatbush and I spoke to the owner who is from Mexico City. I don't know why you think these places aren't run by Mexicans. Do you have some sort of pro-California bias?

And yes Mexicans DO afford the rents here (both residential and commercial), even if it's difficult sometimes.
I'm speaking in terms of %'s. Of course there are Mexican owned but they're far cry from how many restaurants and taquerias owned by Mexicans in California. In NYC, there are way more bougie hipster taco joints.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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I'm speaking in terms of %'s. Of course there are Mexican owned but they're far cry from how many restaurants and taquerias owned by Mexicans in California. In NYC, there are way more bougie hipster taco joints.
I doubt that's even true. And you somehow thought that there were more Cubans than Mexicans in New York, so I question your knowledge on these things.

And real hipsters seem to prefer authentic ethnic food, plus the hipster capital of NYC is Bushwick, which is also one of the most Mexican heavy neighborhoods in the city.
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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I doubt that's even true. And you somehow thought that there were more Cubans than Mexicans in New York, so I question your knowledge on these things.

And real hipsters seem to prefer authentic ethnic food, plus the hipster capital of NYC is Bushwick, which is also one of the most Mexican heavy neighborhoods in the city.
Hipsters prefer cupcakes, cos you are what you eat! That subculture is pretty much over btw. Been so for years.
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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Hipsters prefer cupcakes, cos you are what you eat! That subculture is pretty much over btw. Been so for years.
There has been some sort of hipsteresque subculture going on consistently since at least the 50s. That scene is very much alive.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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There has been some sort of hipsteresque subculture going on consistently since at least the 50s. That scene is very much alive.
70's punks weren't hipsters as you proclaimed in a prior msg. If you think they're the same, you really have no clue.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:06 PM
 
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All the recent hipster subculture represented was liberal elite gentrification, vests, ripped skinny jeans, no socks, fedora hats and a trust fund. A return to pre-war socialism, reading the likes of George Blake and Dalton Trumbo.
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