Bedford Park in am New york (Bainbridge, Cuba: lower-class, hair salon, lawyers)

[NooYowkur81]

Originally Posted by yellowtail

To the poster NooYorker, I've spent a lot of time in Wash Heights for work reasons, and I do not like the area. It's not diverse enough and it is poorly kept, including the area around Columbia Pres. Sorry.

My apologies to any upwardly mobile Dominicans I offended.

Cool. No worries. Still think you should give the neighborhood a better look. There are some nice areas you might have not really checked out.

[Ogden Assassin]

Originally Posted by yellowtail

Oh please, when Dominicans have major CEOs like Ken Chenault, billionaires like Oprah, established social groups, like the Links, the Boule, etc. that are featured in NYC Social Diary, then come talk to me about what is the worst of the worst.

And with that quote it is you "dude" who are on crack. The Links and the Boule too dining clubs for "gens de coleur" and creoles like Mr. Chenault who have done their best to exclude the likes of Bill Cosby and Ms. Winfrey because they were not "our kind of people"......................Oh, the irony!

[yellowtail]

Originally Posted by Ogden Assassin

And with that quote it is you "dude" who are on crack. The Links and the Boule too dining clubs for "gens de coleur" and creoles like Mr. Chenault who have done their best to exclude the likes of Bill Cosby and Ms. Winfrey because they were not "our kind of people"......................Oh, the irony!

Dear Ogden,

Not sure of Chenault's ethnicity (I know he's Black, but not sure if he's a Creole Black), but that doesn't matter. Also, the Links and the Boule are not dining clubs, but social organizations dedicated to the advancement of Blacks. I'm more familiar with the Links, than the Boule, but I know for sure that the Links raise money for philanthropic causes affecting people of African ancestry and are involved in several service projects nationwide. I've done a lot of reading on the Black club/social organization movement from the 1800s and onward, and while a lot of these clubs have received a bad rap for past actions (some which were true and others which were not, i.e. the paper bag test), many have worked 'behind the scenes' trying to help other Blacks who are trying to move up, as well. However, my inclusion of them was to illustrate the point that Blacks in NYC have a well-established social elite scene that is chronicled in the papers and the blogs (not frequently, but it still occurs), whereas Dominicans in NY have nothing comparable to that...Not saying that the socialite world is a major indicator of 'making it,' but that it's noteworthy that a traditionally marginalized group has been able to etch this out in NY.

Anyways, my original point is that for any minority in NYC to characterize Blacks as the 'worst of the worst' in terms of income, career advancement opportunity, or neighborhood vitality is clearly living with their head in the sand somewhere. That's why I said Super Mario is smoking something...I don't deny that many Blacks in NYC live in poorer areas and are receiving some sort of public assistance, but I'd venture to say just as many are solidly working class, middle-class, and upper middle class in NY as well.

[Guywithacause]

Lets not turn this into racist tirades on one another....SuperWario throws out whatever is on his mind and often comes across as ignorant, overly negative, racist, and small minded. So let's not egg him on any further as we don't need anymore people providing him fodder. Let's keep that in mind whenever you read his posts.

The point of the thread is that Bedford Park is in fact a stable community, and although there has been a steady loss of the white population over the years...I think that can be said for just about every neighborhood across the city, as the white population continues to exit. Furthermore, because the white population is decreasing is FAR DIFFERENT than painting the community as suffering from "white flight" or a neighborhood in "free fall." I don't think those scary/hype terms apply, as the community is evolving, as most neighborhoods do....and is not being abandoned by anyone, or building being burned for cash, or retail shutting.

[yellowtail]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Lets not turn this into racist tirades on one another....SuperWario throws out whatever is on his mind and often comes across as ignorant, overly negative, racist, and small minded. So let's not egg him on any further as we don't need anymore people providing him fodder. Let's keep that in mind whenever you read his posts.

The point of the thread is that Bedford Park is in fact a stable community, and although there has been a steady loss of the white population over the years...I think that can be said for just about every neighborhood across the city, as the white population continues to exit. Furthermore, because the white population is decreasing is FAR DIFFERENT than painting the community as suffering from "white flight" or a neighborhood in "free fall." I don't think those scary/hype terms apply, as the community is evolving, as most neighborhoods do....and is not being abandoned by anyone, or building being burned for cash, or retail shutting.

Guy, you're right. Sorry if I offended anyone (other than Mario, of course...he needs to be offended and beat with the stick of knowledge on a daily basis).

Anyways, back to Bedford Park...

[mead]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Lets not turn this into racist tirades on one another....SuperWario throws out whatever is on his mind and often comes across as ignorant, overly negative, racist, and small minded. So let's not egg him on any further as we don't need anymore people providing him fodder. Let's keep that in mind whenever you read his posts.

The point of the thread is that Bedford Park is in fact a stable community, and although there has been a steady loss of the white population over the years...I think that can be said for just about every neighborhood across the city, as the white population continues to exit. Furthermore, because the white population is decreasing is FAR DIFFERENT than painting the community as suffering from "white flight" or a neighborhood in "free fall." I don't think those scary/hype terms apply, as the community is evolving, as most neighborhoods do....and is not being abandoned by anyone, or building being burned for cash, or retail shutting.

From all of the statistics I have read the white population has stabilized and is growing in Manhattan and Brooklyn (reversing a 50 year trend).

[mead]

Originally Posted by Guywithacause

Lets not turn this into racist tirades on one another....SuperWario throws out whatever is on his mind and often comes across as ignorant, overly negative, racist, and small minded. So let's not egg him on any further as we don't need anymore people providing him fodder. Let's keep that in mind whenever you read his posts.

The point of the thread is that Bedford Park is in fact a stable community, and although there has been a steady loss of the white population over the years...I think that can be said for just about every neighborhood across the city, as the white population continues to exit. Furthermore, because the white population is decreasing is FAR DIFFERENT than painting the community as suffering from "white flight" or a neighborhood in "free fall." I don't think those scary/hype terms apply, as the community is evolving, as most neighborhoods do....and is not being abandoned by anyone, or building being burned for cash, or retail shutting.

From all of the statistics I have read the white population has stabilized across the city and is growing in areas such as Manhattan and Brooklyn (reversing a 50 year trend).

[Guywithacause]

I do not doubt that as of 2007 the white population in some neighborhoods is stable or even increasing...but the trend across the city for decades has been a continuous outflow of white residents....and Bedford park, along with just about everyother neighborhood, has experienced this outflow. It is not unique to Bedford Park, nor is it a baromoter for "white flight" or a neighborhood in "free fall." The neighborhood remains a quite stable, working/middle class community, with plenty of retail/amenities for residents, as well as increasing investments from the city, developers, and private individuals....which has maintained the area as well as qualifies it as "under the radar."

[Pete Piper]

There are a significant amount of co-ops in Bedford Park--home owners usually care more about their neighborhood as they have a direct investment in it. There are many formerly Irish neighborhoods in the city, including Inwood and Washington Heights. Bedford Park has a lot of similarities to those areas, and is well connected by public transit, is right next to the Bot. Gardens, close to two universities, and has lots of greenery. I'm not trying to say it's perfect, but our experience has been positive, and it has a lot going for it.

[SuperMario]

Originally Posted by yellowtail

1. I'm not a male.

too bad

2. African-Americans, West-Indian and African immigrants are leaps and bounds ahead of Dominicans in NYC. The income for these homes surpass Dominican homes by several multiples. And don't give me some excuse about "well, we're recent immigrants, yada yada yada," b/c Black immigrants are some of the highest income earners in NYC, period. Look at the hospitals...Besides Filipina nurses, most nurses are Black women from the West Indies or Africa. What middle-class profession in NY are Dominicans known to be in high numbers? And please don't mention 'bodega owning.'

Funny your mentioning carribean blacks. Obviously if im talking about the worst areas in NYC, im referring to African Americans. I never knew that Bed-Stuy/Morrisania/Harlem had so many carribean blacks . Nice way to try to weasel out of it. Anyways the carribean blacks in Wakefield are nuts. Is like me mentioning white Cubans. The comparison is Dominicans and African Americans.

Your really stupid. How the hell can you expect Dominicans to hold all sorts of middle class positions when they have been here for about 2 and a half decades!!! But you want progress? Try over 20% of 2nd generation Dominicans graduating college. Compared to 12% Puerto Rican and 13% of 2nd generation Mexicans.

Despite being here for a couple of decades, Dominicans have two dozens representatives as council members, county legislators and state legislators. This is also very concentrated in the north east. If we were elsewhere you could bet your ass that we would be represented there too.

Here they are:

• Rolando Acosta, judge at the New York Supreme Court
• Francisco Batista, Haverstraw Village, New York Deputy Mayor
• Marcos Devers, first Dominican American to execute the role of mayor in the United States, former Acting Mayor and Councilman of Lawrence, Massachusetts
• Grace Diaz, Rhode Island House of Representatives (first Dominican-American female to be elected to a state legislature in the United States)
• Adriano Espaillat, New York State Assemblyman (first Dominican-American to be elected to a state legislature in the United States)
• Julio Guridy, Allentown Councilman
• William Lantigua, member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives
• Guillermo Linares, first Dominican-American elected in the United States, former New York City Councilman
• Miguel Luna, Councilman for city of Providence, Rhode Island
• Miguel Martinez, New York City Councilman
• Joseline Pena-Melnyk, member of the Maryland General Assembly
• Juan Pichardo[1], Rhode Island State Senator (first Dominican-American to be elected State Senator in the United States)
• Diana Reyna, New York City councilwoman (first Dominican-American woman elected in New York City)
• Tilo Rivas, Union City, NJ Commissioner of Public Affairs and Hudson County Freeholder
• Rigo Rodriguez, Paterson, New Jersey Councilman
• Cris Mendoza, Bladensburg, Maryland Councilman
• Manuel Segura, Trenton, New Jersey Councilman
• Luis Leon Tejada, Councilman for city of Providence, Rhode Island
• Vivian Viloria-Fisher, Suffolk County Legislator (first Dominican-American woman elected in New York State)

BTW Bodegas, Salons and Barbershops are all Dominican strongholds and they are very profitable to the city. Look it up. Unlike black people and their dependency of public assistance.

We are also the large majority of Hispanics in baseball and are the innovaters of latino popular dances such as Bachata and Merengue. Keep dancing your hippity hop lol.

All the info is from Wikipedia. But they cite their source so is more than valid to use it in this case.

Dominican American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh and most importantly, these people are not the exception, but represent a large proportion of Blacks in NY. Hard-working, productive, contributing members of society...

LMAO...hahahahahahahaha.......your foolish. Tell that to the 30 blacks killed in March.


Black households had the lowest median income in 2004 ($30,134) among race groups. Asian households had the highest median income ($57,518). The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $48,977. Median income for Hispanic households was $34,241.

US Census Press Releases

Why is it that in the Bronx Hispanics (not sure if they are mostly Dominicans) are flocking to areas in the Northeast Bronx that were once heavily Italian/Irish, and are now heavily West Indian/Black? If all Blacks were 'criminals,' why are Hispanics leaving their neighborhoods to settle up there? Why are they leaving their precious WashHi, Fordham, and Grand Concourse etc. to mingle with Blacks (mind you, about 75% are Black anyway, they just grew up speaking Spanish, while some of us grew up speaking English, French Creole, Twi, etc, but many are in denial...however, that's another post for another day)?

Hey clueless, Dominicans sure as hell are not moving to the northeast. Where did you get that from? Dominicans are moving into Bedford park and Norwood, areas that are non-black. The west and northwest bronx They are leaving WH because of of the high rents. Blacks are moving into Dominican areas. Mingle with blacks lol.....we dont mingle with criminals.

Dominicans are not more 'accepted'/or better off than Blacks in NYC, so if you seriously think so, you're delusional. Unlike Dominicans in NYC, Blacks in NY come from a gamut of social classes...rich, upper middle, middle class, working class, and poor, while most Dominicans fall squarely in working class or poor levels. And yes, certain social ills plague poorer Black communities in NYC, however, most Blacks in NYC are not as disenfranchised as Dominicans are and that's real talk. A lot of it has to do with the fact that Dominicans are recent immigrants and b/c of language barriers...Instead of spewing your racism against a group of people who spearheaded the way for people of color within this city, perhaps you need to go work with Alianza Dominicana and other positive Dominican NGOs to better your people.

Thats fake talk not real. Blacks are the group most represented in housing projects. They are poorer than Dominicans. Why is it that Dominicans dont live in housing projects? Dominicans have been here for 2.5 decades and have progressed at a faster rate than blacks during the same frame. How long have blacks been in this country and still have not been able to leave the cycle of poverty that pluagues them.

I read your posts about hanging out on street corners and the like. Trust in the "better off" areas, where teachers, administrative workers, plumbers, i.e. the middle class live, of the Bronx and Queens, that's looked down upon in Black immigrant communities (can't comment on AAs, b/c I grew up in a Black immigrant neighborhood, so I don't have 1st-hand knowledge), nor would we celebrate 'gang' culture or even attempt to act like we know gang classifications, street signs, etc. That's below most of us, whereas you seem to take a marked interest in Dominican street gangs.

Stop trying to bring Carribean blacks into the mix. African Americans ok? Now tell me how many well-off AA neighborhoods you can name and name me the bad ones. You did not grow up in AA neighborhood therefore you can not speak from expirience. I can, blacks here are criminals. As they are in most of BK, Uptown and Queens.


LOL west harlem is Dominican from 159th to 125th...from Amsterdam to Broadway. How can you tell me? I am there everyday. Dont be mad that were taking over your precious neighborhood.

Haha.

For some reason I am absolutely spent. Forgive my grammer. But again you have not answered why black neighborhoods are the ones with the highest crime rates in the city and Dominican neighborhoods are among the safest.