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I'll start out by setting forth my viewpoint. It is a decided "no."
New York City's mayor styles himself as a "progressive." In times past,that meant that working-class families with bright children could get for those children a private education every bit as good as Fieldston, Horace Mann, Choate, or other prep schools. Working class people could not afford to send their children to the elite academies in Riverdale or New England. So New York City boasts such schools as Stuyvesant High School and the Bronx High School of Science. The existence of the schools kept many middle and upper-middle class students in New York schools and eventually in the city. Students should be able to go to school where excellence and achievement are rewarded.
Mayor Lindsay succeeded in destroying the City University system in the name of diversity and inclusiveness. Let us not repeat this mistake at high school level.
How did he destroy the city university system? What happened?
Progressive private academies make scholarships available to high-achieving working-class students, because they value diversity. What are the northeastern private schools doing in that regard?
How did he destroy the city university system? What happened?
The City University of New York was, through most of the 1960's close to being on a par with Harvard and Yale. It was where honor roll students from the city's high school often went. Open enrollment, a Mayor Lindsay pet project destroyed all that. At first enrollment was available for free to all high school graduates. Eventually modest tuition was charged, as a result of the fiscal crisis of the mid-1970's. High-achievement learners were basically told to look elsewhere.
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Progressive private academies make scholarships available to high-achieving working-class students, because they value diversity. What are the northeastern private schools doing in that regard?
I don't you. I didn't research. I doubt there are very many of those scholarships. Funny thing about people paying their way. They don't like to pay to remedy past wrongs they didn't commit.
Using a single entrance exam, as is currently done, is ludicrous. There are many other factors that come into play when determining who will be successful in school, and the mayor's proposal attempts to at least recognize this.
"The more substantial proposal calls for eliminating the test entirely and instead basing admissions on a combination of a student’s class rank and scores on state standardized tests, taking the top 7 percent of students from each of the city’s middle schools. The Education Department said that about 7 percent of specialized seats would be set aside for students from nonpublic schools, like private schools or Catholic schools. High performers from those schools would be chosen by lottery."
This sounds like a far more comprehensive way to determine admission than a single test. Don't just read headlines and assume a narrative. The current system is antiquated.
This sounds like a far more comprehensive way to determine admission than a single test. Don't just read headlines and assume a narrative. The current system is antiquated.
I read the article. The narrative, by the Mayor’s own words is to “make the schools look more like New York.“ The current system works. It creates great schools that ordinary people can afford. Race should not be an element.
I'll start out by setting forth my viewpoint. It is a decided "no."
New York City's mayor styles himself as a "progressive." In times past,that meant that working-class families with bright children could get for those children a private education every bit as good as Fieldston, Horace Mann, Choate, or other prep schools. Working class people could not afford to send their children to the elite academies in Riverdale or New England. So New York City boasts such schools as Stuyvesant High School and the Bronx High School of Science. The existence of the schools kept many middle and upper-middle class students in New York schools and eventually in the city. Students should be able to go to school where excellence and achievement are rewarded.
Mayor Lindsay succeeded in destroying the City University system in the name of diversity and inclusiveness. Let us not repeat this mistake at high school level.
You are wrong. Public schools should reflect the demographics of their surroundings.
You are literally saying having people of color at these schools will destroy them. And that diversity destroyed CUNY (a school btw that is still ranked in top 15 of public colleges). Do you really think it is impossible for black and brown students to excel?
I read the article. The narrative, by the Mayor’s own words is to “make the schools look more like New York.“ The current system works. It creates great schools that ordinary people can afford. Race should not be an element.
These are public schools. Public schools should reflect the PUBLIC. A school that is paid for by taxpayer dollars and doesn't represent the public is not a public school.
You are literally saying having people of color at these schools will destroy them. And that diversity destroyed CUNY (a school btw that is still ranked in top 15 of public colleges). Do you really think it is impossible for black and brown students to excel?
I haven't seen anyone in this thread make those arguments.
First, the schools in question are majority-Asian. Asians are people of color. Many people want students at those schools to be admitted based on their academic achievements (i.e., test scores). That will currently result in those schools being majority Asian--and with an overwhelming majority of people of color. I'm fine with that.
Second, nobody said that diversity destroyed CUNY, unless "diversity" means diversity of intelligence and aptitude. If CUNY admissions were merit-based, they'd also probably have a student body that is majority-people of color.
Third, nobody thinks it's impossible for black and brown students to excel, except maybe Mayor DeBozo and Democratic politicians.
I have volunteered with students who are predominantly Hispanic, and they are wonderful learners and really apply themselves. They of course can excel as much as anyone. They simply need a bit of a helping hand, which I'd love to extend to them, so that they can get prepped for admissions tests and ace them, and get into selective schools on their own achievements. They can definitely do that.
It's actually Mayor DeBozo who is effectively saying that black and brown students cannot excel. He's saying that they can't perform well enough on admissions tests, so the tests should be ditched. That's horribly racist. Black and brown students CAN excel, and will, with a bit of help. We should keep the admissions tests and simply give an equal playing field to black and brown students so that they can be prepared to ace them.
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