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Old 07-02-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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Would this be very expensive to implement? I've seen it in Europe, although not necessarily floor to ceiling. I think it would be hard to do in some older stations where the train doesn't meet the platform and there's that automatic "fill in the gap" thing that comes out of the platform edge when the train approaches (BMT).

It could help with safety. I've seen people lose their shoes or have their heels caught when they are on the side of the doors, waiting to enter the doorway, as they get pushed from behind.
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Old 07-02-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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The signal system upgrade is vastly more important than any of those, by a couple orders of magnitude.

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That I disagree with even if the MTA were to decide not to do platform to ceiling barriers. There's more to upgrading and maintaining the system that the issues with the signals, and yes they system still needs expansion and other projects such as Phase 2 of the Second Avenue Subway and Penn Station Access/Metro North are already underway/funded. The state just passed a bill allowing eminent domain for Airtrain LGA, and a study is supposed to come out this summer on reactivating the Rockaway Beach LIRR.
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Old 07-02-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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The signal system upgrade is vastly more important than any of those, by a couple orders of magnitude.
Yea, there's not an infinite pool of money, and while there should be work on making MTA more cost-efficient with the money it does have and it should have a better dedicated revenue stream, what money it can garner now should be spent on its most pressing issues and signal modernization is at the top of that list. It's not to say there aren't other things that MTA should go after, but it needs to make sure that what funding it can get that can be put into signal modernization should make its way there.

However, I think since the L train is already on CBTC (already has signal modernization) and it's getting a long shutdown, then it might actually be cost-effective to put in platform doors even though signal modernization is a priority. The advantages of platform doors isn't just a nicety--it's going to help with garbage and its track fires, maintenance, and delays from crowding or someone on the tracks. If the line is shut down from 1st Avenue to 8th Avenue with not just empty platforms but also no trains running on the tracks, then this is a pretty singular instance where it makes a lot of sense to put this in when there is no service that you have to disrupt or contend with or having to have people work nights and weekends. This is one of the few cases where it seems like even with signal modernization being a priority, it'd be a pretty bad missed opportunity in terms of the costs versus the benefits.

Basically, I think MTA really should find a way to get that 3rd Avenue station platform door pilot funded. Signal modernization is great and necessary, but that’s not all the issues MTA has with running its trains and there’s a lot more that’ll need to happen if the working population of this city keeps growing. They’re very unlikely to get another clean shot like this at piloting this.

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Old 07-02-2018, 01:58 PM
 
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Old 07-02-2018, 02:33 PM
 
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The signal system upgrade is vastly more important than any of those, by a couple orders of magnitude.
The signal system is not vastly more important than those. The trains run slowly because the MTA deliberately runs them slowly, every since a J train crashed into the M train and since a few workmen on the tracks hit run over by the trains.

And truthfully they would not gave to worry about the workmen on the tracks and the signal upgrade would go much faster if the system shut down every night like most transit systems. At night is even most transit systems and repairs. There truthfully is no such thing as a transit system in perfect repair. And there never will be. Si systems continue to expand. If youíre looking for perfection do not take mass transit.
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Old 07-02-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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Old 07-02-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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The signal system is not vastly more important than those. The trains run slowly because the MTA deliberately runs them slowly, every since a J train crashed into the M train and since a few workmen on the tracks hit run over by the trains.

And truthfully they would not gave to worry about the workmen on the tracks and the signal upgrade would go much faster if the system shut down every night like most transit systems. At night is even most transit systems and repairs. There truthfully is no such thing as a transit system in perfect repair. And there never will be. Si systems continue to expand. If youíre looking for perfection do not take mass transit.
For the bold'd, it might as well say, "If you're looking for perfection do not live."

I disagree that the fixing the signaling system isn't massively more important than those, especially the LaGuardia AirTrain.

You're right that the MTA deliberately slows down the train and you can argue that they've been overly cautious, but part of that is the uncertainty of where the trains are. Signal modernization isn't just a magic term, but it's actual work that allows for dispatchers and conductors to know where exactly the trains are and consequently allow them to safely run them more quickly and frequently. Signal modernization is, among other things, a solve to the MTA's dilemma that has them running trains more slowly. Signal modernization is actually a solution to that problem.
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Old 07-02-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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Yes, speeding up the trains would help. But only so much. With a new signal system, they could runs significantly more trains (like a few times the number) than they can now, on the same tracks at the same speed. This would be ultimately transformative to the subway system.

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The signal system is not vastly more important than those. The trains run slowly because the MTA deliberately runs them slowly, every since a J train crashed into the M train and since a few workmen on the tracks hit run over by the trains.

And truthfully they would not gave to worry about the workmen on the tracks and the signal upgrade would go much faster if the system shut down every night like most transit systems. At night is even most transit systems and repairs. There truthfully is no such thing as a transit system in perfect repair. And there never will be. Si systems continue to expand. If youíre looking for perfection do not take mass transit.
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Old 07-02-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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Signal modernization is, among other things, a solve to the MTA's dilemma that has them running trains more slowly. Signal modernization is actually a solution to that problem.
Yeah, but they're going to modernize the signals (eventually) and then put _all_ the margin into "safety", because that's what the unions are going to want. We won't see trains running faster.
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Old 07-02-2018, 09:53 PM
 
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For the bold'd, it might as well say, "If you're looking for perfection do not live."

I disagree that the fixing the signaling system isn't massively more important than those, especially the LaGuardia AirTrain.

You're right that the MTA deliberately slows down the train and you can argue that they've been overly cautious, but part of that is the uncertainty of where the trains are. Signal modernization isn't just a magic term, but it's actual work that allows for dispatchers and conductors to know where exactly the trains are and consequently allow them to safely run them more quickly and frequently. Signal modernization is, among other things, a solve to the MTA's dilemma that has them running trains more slowly. Signal modernization is actually a solution to that problem.
Signal modernization is overblown. The L train had its signals modernized. Didnít stop it fro being flooded by hurricane Sandy. Now L train riders have to take alternate routes. Can you imagine if some damage took out the Lexington Avenue line? The system needs greater redundancy and needs to expand more. There should already be a full length Second Avenue Subway. Metro North should already have access to Penn Station and the LIRR should already go into Grand Central.

The outer boroughs need new transit lines.

Some of you have apparently never been in other transit systems. They all have their share of problems but most cities continue to expand their systems. No transit system is it ever will be in a perfect state of repair.
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