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Old 07-10-2018, 04:39 AM
 
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And I definitely donít like Deblasio, I think heís a walking shell and lack leadership skills. Heís so bland and uncharismatic, still canít believe this was the best candidate nyc could produce.

Nyc will get better, we have seen more years of progressive and change even under Deblasio. More good neighborhoods, development etc. Deblasio is pretty much useless and wonít lesve much of anything behind. The next mayor will most likely be republican anyway, it runs in cycles here.
Giuliani's white working class base was more or less wiped out by gentrification and this process rapidly continues.

Look at neighborhoods like Williamsburg, Greenepoint, LIC, Astoria, Lower East Side/East Village, Hells Kitchen, etc.

The new white people moving in, who have massive levels of student debt and higher levels of education are not voting Republican. They are voting for people like Ocasio-Cortez, because even though they may look well off on paper lots of student debt is a huge financial drain, and the extraordinary high rents that these young people are facing make it harder for them to save up to buy property. Different time.

The old school NYC Republican machine is so DEAD Giuliani is mostly silent, and Bloomberg himself keeps pretty quiet too.

Many of the immigrants who came in the 80s and 90s now have adult children who can vote, or they are citizens themselves. With all of the anti immigrant rhetoric from the Republican party, they are not voting Republican.

Oh yea, and City Data claimed in 2013 that De Blasio would lose. He won. It was said the city would fall apart and he would be one term. He got reelected.

City Data in 2013 also claimed that Bedstuy, Harlem, Bushwick, etc would never gentrify. Look at those neighborhoods now.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:54 AM
 
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Giuliani's white working class base was more or less wiped out by gentrification and this process rapidly continues.

Look at neighborhoods like Williamsburg, Greenepoint, LIC, Astoria, Lower East Side/East Village, Hells Kitchen, etc.

The new white people moving in, who have massive levels of student debt and higher levels of education are not voting Republican. They are voting for people like Ocasio-Cortez, because even though they may look well off on paper lots of student debt is a huge financial drain, and the extraordinary high rents that these young people are facing make it harder for them to save up to buy property. Different time.

The old school NYC Republican machine is so DEAD Giuliani is mostly silent, and Bloomberg himself keeps pretty quiet too.

Many of the immigrants who came in the 80s and 90s now have adult children who can vote, or they are citizens themselves. With all of the anti immigrant rhetoric from the Republican party, they are not voting Republican.

Oh yea, and City Data claimed in 2013 that De Blasio would lose. He won. It was said the city would fall apart and he would be one term. He got reelected.

City Data in 2013 also claimed that Bedstuy, Harlem, Bushwick, etc would never gentrify. Look at those neighborhoods now.
I thought the decline in Giuliani voter types was because of white flight
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:24 AM
 
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Giuliani's white working class base was more or less wiped out by gentrification and this process rapidly continues.

Look at neighborhoods like Williamsburg, Greenepoint, LIC, Astoria, Lower East Side/East Village, Hells Kitchen, etc.

The new white people moving in, who have massive levels of student debt and higher levels of education are not voting Republican. They are voting for people like Ocasio-Cortez, because even though they may look well off on paper lots of student debt is a huge financial drain, and the extraordinary high rents that these young people are facing make it harder for them to save up to buy property. Different time.

The old school NYC Republican machine is so DEAD Giuliani is mostly silent, and Bloomberg himself keeps pretty quiet too.

Many of the immigrants who came in the 80s and 90s now have adult children who can vote, or they are citizens themselves. With all of the anti immigrant rhetoric from the Republican party, they are not voting Republican.

Oh yea, and City Data claimed in 2013 that De Blasio would lose. He won. It was said the city would fall apart and he would be one term. He got reelected.

City Data in 2013 also claimed that Bedstuy, Harlem, Bushwick, etc would never gentrify. Look at those neighborhoods now.
We don’t know what the new white transplants are going to vote for, they are flip floppy. If they have swarms of student debt, they wouldn’t come to the city to be even more broke. Most transplants are the opposite In terms of finances. They aren’t struggling to live like the poor in this city. They will always have a roof over their head and be able to go to bars every weekend. Also can always go back home if they choose too. They like being labeled progressive until it starts to effect their pockets.

When trump leaves the White House, I fully expect a republican mayor again as long as he is more central (pro woman Rights, immigration but also doesn’t advocate for illegals). A Bloomberg type. The gop is just sour right now due to trump. All it takes is for another economic downturn for New Yorkers to say hey maybe we need to be more economic focus than progressive (giving). Nyc is prospering financially as well as the rest of America right now, so liberal policies and tax increases in the face of trump is picking up steam. But like I said revisit this when the next recession starts. Those same New Yorkers fighting for housing for all, get real selfish when their jobs are on the line. Survival is human instinct not equality
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:28 AM
 
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If more homeless people start making these same progressives feel unsafe, to where they can’t take a train without getting attacked or hop out an Uber in the UWS without being raped. I expect a Rudy to get elected as well

Everything is all good right now but that can change and so does the way people vote
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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We donít know what the new white transplants are going to vote for, they are flip floppy. If they have swarms of student debt, they wouldnít come to the city to be even more broke. Most transplants are the opposite In terms of finances. They arenít struggling to live like the poor in this city. They will always have a roof over their head and be able to go to bars every weekend. Also can always go back home if they choose too. They like being labeled progressive until it starts to effect their pockets.

When trump leaves the White House, I fully expect a republican mayor again as long as he is more central (pro woman Rights, immigration but also doesnít advocate for illegals). A Bloomberg type. The gop is just sour right now due to trump. All it takes is for another economic downturn for New Yorkers to say hey maybe we need to be more economic focus than progressive (giving). Nyc is prospering financially as well as the rest of America right now, so liberal policies and tax increases in the face of trump is picking up steam. But like I said revisit this when the next recession starts. Those same New Yorkers fighting for housing for all, get real selfish when their jobs are on the line. Survival is human instinct not equality
Yes, they do comes to the city with SWARMS of student debt because that is the only way they can get their degrees. The trust fund nonsense you see in City Data is mostly FALSE.

I attended Columbia (masters program) with students who came to the city for that, and most had to take out student loans. Ditto for people grad students who came to NYU. One factor in the increasing rents downtown is a lot of NYU graduates stay. Likewise, a lot of Columbia graduates stay too, and the same for other schools in the Northeast that bring people from ALL over to study in NY or the Northeast. Many of these people will remain in NYC.

I'm not speaking as an outsider, this is my professional and academic crowd. They mostly voted for Bernie.

Where do you live and where are you really from?

Also for those who pay a lot of money for their residences, it doesn't mean that they are going to vote for politicians who support endless growth in real estate prices in NYC.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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Living on the streets in San Francisco and Los Angeles is far easier and doesn't get cleaned up easily. Our winters here are brutal compared to those places. Our streets get washed by our year-round precipitation rather than a constant build up of urine and feces.
Oh but you don't realize it yet, now the homeless are welcomed with open arms in the subway. So in the winter where is rains little in San Francisco, it actually rains NEVER underground in NYC
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:19 AM
 
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Oh but you don't realize it yet, now the homeless are welcomed with open arms in the subway. So in the winter where is rains little in San Francisco, it actually rains NEVER underground in NYC
When did the subways not get lots of homeless people during the winter? Especially at night.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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When did the subways not get lots of homeless people during the winter? Especially at night.
During bloomberg/guiliani, they had a choice between shelters or jail
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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Yes, they do comes to the city with SWARMS of student debt because that is the only way they can get their degrees. The trust fund nonsense you see in City Data is mostly FALSE.

I attended Columbia (masters program) with students who came to the city for that, and most had to take out student loans. Ditto for people grad students who came to NYU. One factor in the increasing rents downtown is a lot of NYU graduates stay. Likewise, a lot of Columbia graduates stay too, and the same for other schools in the Northeast that bring people from ALL over to study in NY or the Northeast. Many of these people will remain in NYC.

I'm not speaking as an outsider, this is my professional and academic crowd. They mostly voted for Bernie.

Where do you live and where are you really from?

Also for those who pay a lot of money for their residences, it doesn't mean that they are going to vote for politicians who support endless growth in real estate prices in NYC.

Like I said they are flip floppers, the same Bernie bros that refused to vote in November 2016 because their “man” wasn’t on the ballot. Bernie couldn’t even beat Hilary in nyc but somehow there’s a huge wave of progressive graduates who are “broke”. The people effected the most negatively by student loan debt are black students who find themselves struggling with more debt and menial jobs. Their white counterparts are doing much better in the same scenario.

But we will see when the next recession hits. Only a fringe group of these people are actually true progressives, the others are riding the wave of what’s cool.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/08/san-fr...-yorks-future/


I have absolutely ZERO doubt this is where we're headed with DeBozo in charge
NYC will never have as bad as a homeless problem on the streets as any West Coast City simply due to the weather. With that being said, I can see the subways becoming underground Dharavi.
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