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Old 07-11-2018, 02:00 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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IIRC it is federal law and comes under interfering with postal/mail delivery.


A friend from college got her first apartment in NYC in some building way over in Chelsea that didn't have a way for post office to gain entry. People had to go to the local post office to get their mail or buzz USPS in if someone was home. Well this person wasn't having any of that.


She called local postal office to find out what was the problem and then sent management a certified letter reminding them of law. In about a week or so new mailboxes were installed and one of those USPS key lockboxes were put into outer vestibule.


In defense of LL many older buildings once had full time supers and or wives of same who were home during day to let USPS into building. That and or the mail boxes once were located in vestibule, and for some reason when locking door was installed (as required by law) it was in front of the mailboxes. Again if there was a full time super or his wife to let USPS in that wasn't a problem.


Given the heck hole NYC was back in day it probably is far safer to move apartment mailboxes behind locked doors. But you still find them in vestibules of some older brownstone/walk-up apartment buildings. Many of these once were private homes that were converted into apartments, and there isn't a way or place to put mail boxes in "lobby" or whatever.
So why can't UPS and FedEx get them? Obviously neither is related to federal law, but it seems like it would make life so much easier for those of us in apartment buildings. My girlfriend lives in an apartment building, and I've ordered stuff for her and she's received it 1-2-3. I think the last thing I bought her was one of those "Made in USA" cutting boards from Epicurean. Ordered via UPS. The package was waiting in her lobby with all of the others nicely placed.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:49 PM
 
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This does not seem to be universally true any longer.


FedEx and UPS have been using the USPS "key" to gain entry to our building for over a year now. Know this because rarely do they bother ringing the intercom but just knock on door/show up indoors.


Also know this because the intercom buzzer is rather loud (can be heard several flights upstairs), and it never seems to ring for UPS or FedEx; but again some how they magically appear inside building.


Highly doubt management gave anyone keys to building, so the only other alternative is the USPS key.
I'm not talking about a key to enter the building.

I'm talking about the key that opens the mailboxes themselves. It's a key that opens all the mailboxes at once.

FedEx and UPS don't have that.

Why would USPS give them that.

U misunderstood.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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So why can't UPS and FedEx get them? Obviously neither is related to federal law, but it seems like it would make life so much easier for those of us in apartment buildings. My girlfriend lives in an apartment building, and I've ordered stuff for her and she's received it 1-2-3. I think the last thing I bought her was one of those "Made in USA" cutting boards from Epicurean. Ordered via UPS. The package was waiting in her lobby with all of the others nicely placed.

USPS is enshrined in the USC and is a federal agency, UPS and FedEx are private companies.


Mess with the postal service, including interfering with people's right to receive mail, and you've got a federal case.


https://www.uspsoig.gov/blog/postal-...its-obligation


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Old 07-12-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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Impose a penalty with a timeframe to pick up the package. Problem solved. Moving on....
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Impose a penalty with a timeframe to pick up the package. Problem solved. Moving on....

Actually it wasn't that long ago that leaving all those packages in lobbies was prohibited by most buildings/landlords. It is only rather recently with the growth of Amazon and internet shopping that has caused issues.


It is against NYC code to block and or obstruct common areas of buildings; that is corridors, stairwells and lobbies must be kept clear in case of fire or other emergency.


In many buildings today (especially smaller ones) often by 5PM lobbies are full of packages, and or hallways same as things are left front doors. During holiday season all heck breaks loose and you often can barely navigate lobbies......
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:04 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Actually it wasn't that long ago that leaving all those packages in lobbies was prohibited by most buildings/landlords. It is only rather recently with the growth of Amazon and internet shopping that has caused issues.


It is against NYC code to block and or obstruct common areas of buildings; that is corridors, stairwells and lobbies must be kept clear in case of fire or other emergency.


In many buildings today (especially smaller ones) often by 5PM lobbies are full of packages, and or hallways same as things are left front doors. During holiday season all heck breaks loose and you often can barely navigate lobbies......
Bringing this back on home, am wondering what's the solution? Often am on the UWS at a building where numerous packages are left in the lobby, including food items from Blue Apron or whatever. Can see the same GD package with food in it for days.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:17 PM
 
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Bringing this back on home, am wondering what's the solution? Often am on the UWS at a building where numerous packages are left in the lobby, including food items from Blue Apron or whatever. Can see the same GD package with food in it for days.
Every single multi-family building in NYC is having to cope with this issue.


New construction often comes complete with "package rooms" (in some cases even refrigerated sections), and of course many older buildings have had such for ages.


This however leaves out tons of smaller buildings and even some larger ones that went up in say 1960's through rather recently.


Buildings are installing cameras, hiring extra staff, carving out package areas near or in mail boxes/rooms and so forth all to deal with the near daily deluge of deliveries.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.f91333d4ee97


https://www.marketplace.org/2017/10/...s-next-amenity


https://therealdeal.com/2017/10/17/a...ings-mailroom/


https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-...ery-1508261759
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:11 PM
 
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My building has large mail boxes built in so if USPS has a large package that can't fit in your mail box they put it in the large one and put the key in your mail box.
UPS and Fed EX tend to make us sign for the package. Everyone and then you will see a package in front of someones door though
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:14 PM
 
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My building has large mail boxes built in so if USPS has a large package that can't fit in your mail box they put it in the large one and put the key in your mail box.
UPS and Fed EX tend to make us sign for the package. Everyone and then you will see a package in front of someones door though


Haven't signed for a UPS or FedEx package in years now. They are just left in lobby or at front door.


Know this was (or is) standard policy for other parts of NYC and outside of because often would complain after seeing tracking information showing "left on back porch, left in garage, left on front porch...), but guess it now applies to Manhattan as well.


Only time UPS or FedEx (along with USPS) seems to require a signature now is if package is explicitly shipped requesting and thus shipper has paid an extra fee.
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Old 07-13-2018, 01:17 PM
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Location: Manhattan
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Only time UPS or FedEx (along with USPS) seems to require a signature now is if package is explicitly shipped requesting and thus shipper has paid an extra fee.
Oh, that explains it. I was wondering why sometimes the UPS guy insists I sign and why sometimes it's just left out in the lobby. I thought it was dependent on the driver.
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