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Old 07-14-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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Everyone doesnít pay taxes

The majority of people pay very little especially those that make less than six figures which includes the majority of this country. The 1% and corporations by far hold the brunt of taxation, thatís just simple economics.

If Beverley Hills had a homeless shelter, BV wouldnít exist. Property values will sink and all those high paying people will leave. The same for billionaires row, when that happens the city loses money from real estate sales to high income earners potentially leaving out the city.

You pay the premium and expect a certain quality of life. You take that away the premium doesnít exist. The city has more leechers than millionaires, so Deblasio should be careful


Income taxes yes, but FICA (payroll taxes) take a decent sized bite out of even low or working class wages or earnings.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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West 58th is "Billionaire's Row"? That's certainly not a place I might have guessed.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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West 58th is "Billionaire's Row"? That's certainly not a place I might have guessed.
Nope, me either. 5th Avenue is chump change now? Does that mean I can finally afford to live at the Dakota ? (Yes, I know thatís UWS, just saying).
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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Because if money is going to be put toward housing the homeless, it should be done as efficiently as possible. It's going to cost a lot more to host the homeless on 57th street in Manhattan, than is some some lower cost part of the outer boroughs. Therefore for the same money you could put up more of them.

This presupposes that the city putting up money to house the homeless is a proper use of tax money. There's a strong argument that this is incorrect. People need to deal with their own problems, not expect the taxpayers to.
Putting shelters only in lower cost neighborhoods merely dumps all of these problems on the cheapest neighborhoods and degraded them. Working class people pay taxes too. Shelters need to be distributed around the city.

As for dealing with your own problems the instant you feel unsafe you seem like the type to call the cops. Meaning you donít deal with your own problems.
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:41 PM
 
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West 58th is "Billionaire's Row"? That's certainly not a place I might have guessed.

To some extent, yes 58th is part of "Billionaire's Row".


Many of the old and new buildings on 57th or 59th have back/service entrances on 58th. This and there are some high end rental or co-op buildings along 58th from roughly 5th going west towards and past Broadway.


Alwyn Court is at 180 West 58th for example.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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I (and a lot of other non-homeless NYers) pay a whole hell of a lot of taxes to fund the cops. Cut the taxes, and let me carry a gun (and use it if necessary), then we can talk about getting rid of the cops.

The homeless pay nothing. They just suck up services. Whatever money the can scrounge or steal usually goes to the local drug dealer (which is why they end up homeless.)

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As for dealing with your own problems the instant you feel unsafe you seem like the type to call the cops. Meaning you donít deal with your own problems.
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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Putting shelters only in lower cost neighborhoods merely dumps all of these problems on the cheapest neighborhoods and degraded them. Working class people pay taxes too. Shelters need to be distributed around the city.

As for dealing with your own problems the instant you feel unsafe you seem like the type to call the cops. Meaning you donít deal with your own problems.
Putting shelters in the areas that have the highest homeless problems makes sense. What's the point of putting homeless shelters in the most expensive neighborhoods where the homeless can't afford anything (including food)?
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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Putting shelters in the areas that have the highest homeless problems makes sense. What's the point of putting homeless shelters in the most expensive neighborhoods where the homeless can't afford anything (including food)?
The areas that have the highest homeless problems are the touristy parts of Manhattan
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Old 07-15-2018, 02:20 PM
 
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The areas that have the highest homeless problems are the touristy parts of Manhattan
Uh no... If you trace where they lived previously, they generally live in poor areas of NYC. The South Bronx is a perfect example. It has a lot of shelters because guess what? Lots of people have been evicted because of the increasing rents. The mayor has previously said that it makes sense to house people close to or in their community so that they can get back on their feet quicker. Housing them in an area they aren't from that's extremely expensive does the complete opposite. If they can't afford to even eat regularly, how in the hell are they supposed to pick themselves up?
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:08 PM
 
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The areas that have the highest homeless problems are the touristy parts of Manhattan
Those persons are there for same reasons why that guy robs banks; because that is where they can find money.


Tourists are an easy touch for panhandlers; the rest of us natives aren't always that generous.
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