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Old 07-12-2018, 08:22 PM
 
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A group of New Yorkers who live near Billionaires’ Row, an area with some of the most expensive residences in the world, filed a lawsuit on Monday to block a homeless shelter from opening in the Midtown West neighborhood. The West 58th Street Coalition sued New York City to stop the conversion of the old Park Savoy Hotel at 158 West 58th Street into a homeless shelter for men, a plan announced by Mayor Bill de Blasio in February.

The coalition claims the shelter, which would house 140 single men, would have “an enormous impact on our densely populated, narrow, high-pedestrian-traffic street.”


https://www.6sqft.com/billionaires-r...-neighborhood/
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:47 PM
 
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I'm missing something. Did the city buy the hotel? I'm searching but can't find anything saying they did. If not, I would think someone would buy the owner out, and build something more profitable on the spot.

If the city does own it, they should sell it for megabucks (literally) and build several shelter, with more units, on cheaper land. But Bla wouldn't like the optics of that.
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Old 07-13-2018, 04:32 AM
 
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I'm missing something. Did the city buy the hotel? I'm searching but can't find anything saying they did. If not, I would think someone would buy the owner out, and build something more profitable on the spot.

If the city does own it, they should sell it for megabucks (literally) and build several shelter, with more units, on cheaper land. But Bla wouldn't like the optics of that.
No. Putting all homeless people in poor neighborhoods concentrates poverty and creates disaster for the city. Spread services and shelters throughout the city, including rich neighborhoods like this.

This should be no big deal. Homeless sleep and panhandle all over the city.

So one way or another they will still have homeless.
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Old 07-13-2018, 04:33 AM
 
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No. Putting all homeless people in poor neighborhoods concentrates poverty and creates disaster for the city. Spread services and shelters throughout the city, including rich neighborhoods like this.

This should be no big deal. Homeless sleep and panhandle all over the city.

So one way or another they will still have homeless.
It's also not fair to dump all these shelters into less prosperous neighborhoods while keeping them out of the rich ones.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:46 AM
 
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Park Savoy Hotel is a slightly above flea bag, budget hotel, this despite the location. The area is one of the reasons why hotel was opened there in first place and is only reason why the thing is still open.


https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us


Sadly or whatever many of these old hotels simply aren't able to compete any longer, especially with trends towards sleek "boutique" hotels. They remain open as budget or tourist places in hopes of many *some* money, but really cannot afford the major renovations for an upgrade/renovation and not even spending those sums would equal success.


Problem is these buildings if not in a residential zone cannot convert to condos, co-ops or rentals without the permission of city; something mayor de Boob and current city council are loathe to do atm.


Why? Because each are the cat's paw of the hotel trade unions who when not fighting AirBnB have waged war against hotels closing and becoming residential housing, and or being converted into condos. Either causes loss of union jobs, that pay very well and come with excellent bennies.


Hotel unions have even gotten the city to impose a moratorium on "hotel to condo" conversions while it "studies" the issue. The gay Bronx city council member Richie Torres has been at the heart of these plots and schemes.


https://therealdeal.com/2017/05/02/b...onversion-ban/


http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ed-for-renewal


https://www.law.com/newyorklawjourna...20180613063456


What does all this palver have to do with the Park Savoy Hotel housing homeless?


Well if you are a hotel owner struggling to make ends met, and cannot get paying guests; guess who comes knocking on your door? The City of New York's DHS with an offer you can't refuse.


As we all know the city is spending billons putting up homeless families in hotels. That now has spread into "nice" and "better" areas of NYC (including Manhattan) as the socialist mayor and his housing czar move to spread the disease around. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/n...els-crime.html


The Excelsior Hotel on West 81st street, right across from the planetarium and just down the block from Central Park has been taking in homeless via the city for over a year now.
https://therealdeal.com/2016/08/23/c...ury-uws-hotel/


https://citylimits.org/2016/12/23/wh...meless-hotels/
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:58 AM
 
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No. Putting all homeless people in poor neighborhoods concentrates poverty and creates disaster for the city. Spread services and shelters throughout the city, including rich neighborhoods like this.

This should be no big deal. Homeless sleep and panhandle all over the city.

So one way or another they will still have homeless.
Why does it make sense to put poor homeless people in the most expensive area in the city. Everything cost more from food to water. It’s all about “fairness” then it is about something making actual sense long term.

You are supposed to put homeless where they can build a better life and have the services to excel. You put them in the middle of manhattan, where will they find a place to live permanently in the same area. It’s impossible

Being near public transportation should be the priority, that’s it. They actually need to stop building temporary shelters and focus on permanent housing
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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Good.
City should open another one next door to Trump Tower, but this one is fine, abutting as it does the back door of ONE 57 tower. Perhaps the homeless men could be allowed to share the pool?




Poor billionaires don't like having to see the consequences of the societal inequities that allowed them to amass their fortunes. So sad for them. (Now Cuomo should open a men's shelter in Southampton. All residents get beach passes.
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:33 AM
 
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Why does it make sense to put poor homeless people in the most expensive area in the city. Everything cost more from food to water. It’s all about “fairness” then it is about something making actual sense long term.

You are supposed to put homeless where they can build a better life and have the services to excel. You put them in the middle of manhattan, where will they find a place to live permanently in the same area. It’s impossible

Being near public transportation should be the priority, that’s it. They actually need to stop building temporary shelters and focus on permanent housing
How exactly are they going to build a better life? NYC should put them in contact with their immediate and extended family.
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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How exactly are they going to build a better life? NYC should put them in contact with their immediate and extended family.
Usually when mentality ill become homeless it is because their immediate and extended family gave up on them, given the racial component that the majority of homeless are people of color it probably has to do with the social economic status of the family.
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Usually when mentality ill become homeless it is because their immediate and extended family gave up on them, given the racial component that the majority of homeless are people of color it probably has to do with the social economic status of the family.
By % but not by totals https://www.statista.com/statistics/...he-us-by-race/
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