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Old 07-14-2018, 06:33 PM
 
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I'm curious to know how much of the original architecture survived in The Bronx, after the arson wave of the 70s.

I know that in the 80s and 90s, the rebuilding effort included mostly ugly rowhomes with front driveways. I guess the developers at the time did not think midrise apartments were a good idea. Thankfully the recent architecture (2010s) is a lot better looking and is mostly midrise and higher. The modern architecture might look out of place, but at least it's a lot better than what they were building in the 90s and earlier. The 00s stuff wasn't great either, but better than the 80s/90s stuff at least.

Still though, it's a shame to me how many of the original buildings in the Central Bronx were lost.

I've been trying to do some research to see which neighborhoods survived the 70s arson wave the best. It looks like the neighborhoods West of Webster Ave are mostly intact, with the neighborhoods to the East being a case by case basis. It look like the neighborhoods along the 2 train, from Mott Haven to West Farms were hit the hardest, with the neighborhoods along the 6 not being hit as hard. It looks like whole chunks of Longwood and West Farms are gone and replaced with ugly rowhomes or weird Levitt style houses.

Is that accurate? And what are some things I'm missing?

And are the aformentioned ugly rowhomes planned by the city, or did private developers decide to make a bunch of similar looking houses?
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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Oh and I not only find those rowhomes to be any eyesore, but in my opinion they make the blocks more dangerous to walk down. Yes detached houses also have front driveways, but they're seperated by a house's width as opposed to as much as a whole block being a driveway

I wonder if any studies have been done on this
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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Has anyone ever made a map for this? I might even make one myself with color shading to show how hard (or not hard) each neighborhood was hit by this.

And another Bronx related question, is Parkchester used colloquially to refer to a whole neighborhood, or just the Parkchester complex? I'm curious because "Rochdale" is a neighborhood too, but I never hear anyone use "Rochdale" to refer to anything but the towers.
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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South of Fordham RD from University to the Bronx River, west to East was decimated.
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:19 AM
 
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South of Fordham RD from University to the Bronx River, west to East was decimated.
I don't know if that's true, it looks like most of University Heights, Morris Heights, Highbridge, and Belmont are intact. Fordham and Concourse even more so
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:50 AM
 
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I don't know if that's true, it looks like most of University Heights, Morris Heights, Highbridge, and Belmont are intact. Fordham and Concourse even more so
I am giviing you the starting point. Concourse itself was spared but move one block away onto Creston and you would see burned down buildings. The closer to Fordham the better off. Perhaps I will revise it to 183rst and South. When you took the 4 train on 183st you saw burned downed building west of Jerome. South of Burnside to 167 st you saw nothing but burned down buidling. In that same area going East the Concourse was intact thru Third Ave which was saved because of large tracts of public housing. But from Third Ave to the River you had huge tracts of abondened building from 176 st to 150st on the 2 and 5 trains. On the 6 line it was pretty intact but from Hunts Pt to Brook it was pretty bleak.
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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I am giviing you the starting point. Concourse itself was spared but move one block away onto Creston and you would see burned down buildings. The closer to Fordham the better off. Perhaps I will revise it to 183rst and South. When you took the 4 train on 183st you saw burned downed building west of Jerome. South of Burnside to 167 st you saw nothing but burned down buidling. In that same area going East the Concourse was intact thru Third Ave which was saved because of large tracts of public housing. But from Third Ave to the River you had huge tracts of abondened building from 176 st to 150st on the 2 and 5 trains. On the 6 line it was pretty intact but from Hunts Pt to Beook it was pretty bleak.
I'm looking at Morris, Walton, and Creston, they look to largely have original architecture throughout.

Even in the 160s, Walton Ave look mostly intact

Walton

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8319...thumbfov%3D100

also Walton

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8287...thumbfov%3D100

Creston doesn't exist that far South, but it also looks like mostly original architecture throughout


https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8510...thumbfov%3D100


https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8537...thumbfov%3D100

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8570...thumbfov%3D100


Now 3rd Ave to the River, that does look to be true sadly. It looks like a huge chunk of West Farms and Longwood were destroyed. But did any parts of the Central Bronx survive?
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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In the Belmont area the dividing line was 183 around St Barnabas. From the Fordham side it was intact. Move South of St Barnabas around Prospect and Crotona and it was like crossing a boarder into a war zone. Today it looks nothing like the Bronx I grew up in during the 80s. You could walk along Third Ave around Crotona Park and only see Schools and Projects everything was burned down lots. Even Highbridge had its share. But the worst neighbor hoods were Morrisania, Hunts PT. Concourse was saved luckily. But you could walk between the D Train to the 4 train between 170st or 176 and see wrecks of buildings. Burnside Ave actually looked burned in big pockets. By the time you got to 167 the demage stopped.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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This looks like one of the blocks off Jerome you're talking about. Which sadly, was destroyed and replaced by these eyesores.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8547...thumbfov%3D100

But again, I'm looking at these neighborhoods and most (like 90%+) of the buildings look to be pre-war.

Davidson

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8476...thumbfov%3D100

Grand

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8481...thumbfov%3D100

Inwood

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8420...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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I'm looking at Morris, Walton, and Creston, they look to largely have original architecture throughout.

Even in the 160s, Walton Ave look mostly intact

Walton

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8319...thumbfov%3D100

also Walton

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8287...thumbfov%3D100

Creston doesn't exist that far South, but it also looks like mostly original architecture throughout


https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8510...thumbfov%3D100


https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8537...thumbfov%3D100

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8570...thumbfov%3D100


Now 3rd Ave to the River, that does look to be true sadly. It looks like a huge chunk of West Farms and Longwood were destroyed. But did any parts of the Central Bronx survive?
The Western Bronx was last to burn. I grew up on 183 and Webster in the projects so we were safe. But I remember my father and uncle's taking me to watch the fire fighters put out fires in Tremont, and around Jerome Ave. Infact Park Ave near us had many building get burned down. My aunt lived on 183 and Park and that buidlibg is gone. Lots of building have been rebuilt. Yet, there was devastation on every block. We lived in a building on 182 and Grand Ave off of Burnside that was destroyed soon after we moved out That's Morris Heights right ? If you drove on the Sheridan Expressway back in yhe day it was a spectacle of arson's demage. Or the Cross Bronx from Jerome to Prospect.
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