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Old 07-20-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Confines of the 101 Precinct
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Same thing with the other 4 boroughs. And The Bronx has a huge immigrant population anyway.



Well the area might have been hood, but the buildings are nice.

And even the walkup buildings in the LES aren't tenements, they replaced the actual tenements that used to be there. They're 100+ years old and are still around, and rich people pay thousands of dollars per month to live in them. Plus many of them are ornate.
You don't know what tenements are

So stop

Before the phrase "apartment building" came out, people said "tenement"

That's all it means

I have looked at old Certificates of Occupancy from buildings on Park Avenue that are listed as tenement houses. They are apartment buildings, and luxury ones at that.

People synonimize tenement with poor. Those Lower East Side people wanted you to feel sympathy for them. Let's cut the bull. Tenement does not mean poor. It means apartment building.
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:52 PM
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You don't know what tenements are

So stop

Before the phrase "apartment building" came out, people said "tenement"

That's all it means

I have looked at old Certificates of Occupancy from buildings on Park Avenue that are listed as tenement houses. They are apartment buildings, and luxury ones at that.

People synonimize tenement with poor. Those Lower East Side people wanted you to feel sympathy for them. Let's cut the bull. Tenement does not mean poor. It means apartment building.
Oh, is that true? Not being sarcastic.
I had no idea. I thought all this time tenement meant poorly constructed, overly crowded apt. buildings.
I now have to google it. I am surprised!
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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You don't know what tenements are

So stop

Before the phrase "apartment building" came out, people said "tenement"

That's all it means

I have looked at old Certificates of Occupancy from buildings on Park Avenue that are listed as tenement houses. They are apartment buildings, and luxury ones at that.

People synonimize tenement with poor. Those Lower East Side people wanted you to feel sympathy for them. Let's cut the bull. Tenement does not mean poor. It means apartment building.
Maybe the term originally meant apartment, but now it's mostly being used to have a more specific meaning. Nobody would refer to the Trump Tower as a "tenement".
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:55 PM
 
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Oh, is that true? Not being sarcastic.
I had no idea. I thought all this time tenement meant poorly constructed, overly crowded apt. buildings.
I now have to google it. I am surprised!
It's almost like definitions can change over the course of 100+ years!
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:58 PM
 
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Oh, is that true? Not being sarcastic.
I had no idea. I thought all this time tenement meant poorly constructed, overly crowded apt. buildings.
I now have to google it. I am surprised!
Here's the proof for yourself

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/CO...allbin=1046607

click on the first link.

Fifth Avenue

Tenement house.

And go look at the building on Street Views. Nothing's changed.
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:59 PM
 
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Maybe the term originally meant apartment, but now it's mostly being used to have a more specific meaning. Nobody would refer to the Trump Tower as a "tenement".
That's because you still think tenement = poor
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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That's because you still think tenement = poor
It's not what I think, it's what most people think. Nobody refers to 2 family houses or luxury condos as "tenements" in 2018
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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It's almost like definitions can change over the course of 100+ years!
No, it did not change

I posted the proof

You just wanna live in your daydream NYC and ask all these questions and waste ppl's time

I posted proof, if you still think tenement = poor, then you only want to learn what you wanna learn.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:01 PM
 
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It's not what I think, it's what most people think. Nobody refers to 2 family houses or luxury condos as "tenements" in 2018
So because most people think it, it is correct then?

Wow

You are easily influenced.

I'ma just start telling you whateva cause you'll Believe it.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:03 PM
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Here's the proof for yourself

C of O PDF Listing for Property

click on the first link.

Fifth Avenue

Tenement house.
I clicked on your link and I got this error message instead
Unable to retrieve C of O Document at this time.
Error Details: java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://10.217.10.78/null/null/null/null/null

Anyway, I think both you and 1995 are correct. This is what wikipedia says on the terminology.
A tenement is a multi-occupancy building of any sort. However, in the United States, it has come to refer most specifically to a run-down apartment building or to a slum.[1]
The term tenement originally referred to tenancy and therefore to any rented accommodation. The New York State legislature defined it in the Tenement House Act of 1867 in terms of rental occupancy by multiple households, as

Any house, building, or portion thereof, which is rented, leased, let, or hired out to be occupied or is occupied, as the home or residence of more than three families living independently of one another and doing their own cooking upon the premises, or by more than two families upon a floor, so living and cooking and having a common right in the halls, stairways, yards, water-closets, or privies, or some of them.[3]
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