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Old 07-20-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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No, it did not change

I posted the proof

You just wanna live in your daydream NYC and ask all these questions and waste ppl's time

I posted proof, if you still think tenement = poor, then you only want to learn what you wanna learn.
I think it’s accurate to say words can have their common use definitions change. It’s at least not a black and white issue as there is the Lower East Side Tenement Museum which definitely has a more narrow use of the term. You can both be right. Hug it out. Put me in the middle. It will be the best sandwich of our lives.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:06 PM
 
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No, it did not change

I posted the proof

You just wanna live in your daydream NYC and ask all these questions and waste ppl's time

I posted proof, if you still think tenement = poor, then you only want to learn what you wanna learn.
You should not talk given your tendency to make trollish, uninformative, unsolicited posts on a regular basis.

And what you posted is not proof of the claim you're trying to make. Definitions shift over time.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:08 PM
 
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You should not talk given your tendency to make trollish, uninformative, unsolicited posts on a regular basis.

And what you posted is not proof of the claim you're trying to make. Definitions shift over time.
Lol.

Good thing you're nobody's lawyer
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:10 PM
 
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I just posted a luxury building that was classified by the city as a tenement house.

What are you talking about definitions shifting.

That certtificate of occupancy is from 1927.....

Man

Like u dont get it.....
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I think it’s accurate to say words can have their common use definitions change. It’s at least not a black and white issue as there is the Lower East Side Tenement Museum which definitely has a more narrow use of the term. You can both be right. Hug it out. Put me in the middle. It will be the best sandwich of our lives.
Yeah. Both 7th and 1995 are right.
It's like that bodega debate awhile ago.
But I did not know that tenement at one time meant simply apartment building.
Or that it's official definition simply means apt. building.
That was something new to me that I just learned.
Thanks, 7thFloor.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:22 PM
 
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I think it’s accurate to say words can have their common use definitions change. It’s at least not a black and white issue as there is the Lower East Side Tenement Museum which definitely has a more narrow use of the term. You can both be right. Hug it out. Put me in the middle. It will be the best sandwich of our lives.
Exactly.

But I never said he's wrong that it could broadly be used to mean any apartment building. I'm just saying that it's very commonly used to have a definition more narrow than just "apartment building".
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:24 PM
 
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Yeah. Both 7th and 1995 are right.
It's like that bodega debate awhile ago.
But I did not know that tenement at one time meant simply apartment building.
Or that it's official definition simply means apt. building.
That was something new to me that I just learned.
Thanks, 7thFloor.
Thats my point.

Tenement house = apartment building

Legal definition

Since when legal definition of tenement changed to poor? Nobody can answer that, and it wont hold up in court

I dont care how ppl "feel" on what it should be
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Thats my point.

Tenement house = apartment building

Legal definition

Since when legal definition of tenement changed to poor? Nobody can answer that, and it wont hold up in court

I dont care how ppl "feel" on what it should be
Ok. I get what you're saying.

But, I get 1995's point too.

You're talking about official definition.
He's talking about everyday, "man on the street", popular vernacular definition.
Because he's correct in saying no one in h*** is going to call Trump Tower a tenement.
I guess what it is, is a luxury tenement (apt bldg) but others will then exclaim that's an oxymoron!

Both of you are "correct" depending on your targeted audience.

And that's a good question. When (and more importantly -why) has that official definition of tenement changed over to meaning poor. (I think you said the LES residents' to generate sympathy for their plight)?

I'm going to google that next! Because now, I really want to know.

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Old 07-20-2018, 07:45 PM
 
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Ok. I get what you're saying.

But, I get 1995's point too.

You're talking about official definition.
He's talking about everyday, "man on the street", popular vernacular definition.
Because he's correct in saying no one in h*** is going to call Trump Tower a tenement.
I guess what it is, is a luxury tenement (apt bldg) but others will then exclaim that's an oxymoron!

Both of you are "correct" depending on your targeted audience.

And that's a good question. When (and more importantly -why) has that official definition of tenement changed over to meaning poor. (I think you said the LES residents' to generate sympathy for their plight)?

I'm going to google that next! Because now, I really want to know.
ask l1995
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Old 07-20-2018, 09:00 PM
 
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Good things about the Bronx has turned into Bad things about definitions
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