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Old 07-23-2018, 01:30 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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It's pretty easy to construction metro lines for cheaper. here in Spain they use tunnel boring machines to build the tunnels and the stations themselves (and the platforms are just build to the wide) and the way out of course is built separately).

NYC build huge station length mezzanines, and that is what is costing so much money. If the MTA wants to save money, don't build these mezzanines.

Many IRT stations like 96th Street, 72nd Street Street (1, 2, 3), 86th Street (4,5, 6) don't have mezzanines and those are express stations. Local IRT stations of course don't have them.

It's fairly easy to cut costs from the Second Avenue Subway.
Sure, it can be, but that's not being done thus far so his griping sounds pretty reasonable. If the MTA's cost per mile were more in line with that of large European or Japanese cities, then great, we'd be subway-ing real good, but that's not the case now and the MTA and NYC Transit needs to seriously reform how it does these things.
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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Sure, it can be, but that's not being done thus far so his griping sounds pretty reasonable. If the MTA's cost per mile were more in line with that of large European or Japanese cities, then great, we'd be subway-ing real good, but that's not the case now and the MTA and NYC Transit needs to seriously reform how it does these things.
I completely agree that the MTA and the NYC transit need to seriously reform how they do these things. I hope you're sending complaints to the relevant public officials. Too many people here I just gripe on a board to let off steam, if you really have an issue with something you need to get proactive about it.

The posts you and he said can very easily be sent to the MTA, the governor, the mayor, etc. Emphasizing the costs need to go down.
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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You really are a buffoon. You are an intellectual fraud.


What exactly is your argument? Your arguments are either flat out lies or overly broad generalizations. There's no substance. It seems that you argue for the sake or arguing.

You're a complete fraud. Do you even know when the MTA expects revenue service to begin for Phase 2? If you did, theres no way you'd be spewing complete garbage regarding phase 3 and 4.
Do you need someone to spoon you?
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I completely agree that the MTA and the NYC transit need to seriously reform how they do these things. I hope you're sending complaints to the relevant public officials. Too many people here I just gripe on a board to let off steam, if you really have an issue with something you need to get proactive about it.

The posts you and he said can very easily be sent to the MTA, the governor, the mayor, etc. Emphasizing the costs need to go down.
Of course I send complaints. Who doesn't?
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Isn't there existing tunnel already for the 2nd avenue line that was built during the 70s. Or those tunnels are defunct and useless? If their is existing tunnel for the 2nd avenue line. Why don't the MTA utilize such structure instead of wasting money by building something entirely new.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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You really are a buffoon. You are an intellectual fraud.


What exactly is your argument? Your arguments are either flat out lies or overly broad generalizations. There's no substance. It seems that you argue for the sake or arguing.

You're a complete fraud. Do you even know when the MTA expects revenue service to begin for Phase 2? If you did, theres no way you'd be spewing complete garbage regarding phase 3 and 4.
That first sentence was funny as hell. When I think of intellectual fraud, I think about Nigerians.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:29 PM
 
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Isn't there existing tunnel already for the 2nd avenue line that was built during the 70s. Or those tunnels are defunct and useless? If their is existing tunnel for the 2nd avenue line. Why don't the MTA utilize such structure instead of wasting money by building something entirely new.
"Construction on a tunnel segment between 99th and 105th Streets began in October 1972.[19][55][56] A second segment between 110th and 120th Street in East Harlem started construction in March 1973.[57][58] On October 25, 1973, the line's Chinatown segment commenced construction at Canal Street under the foot of the Manhattan Bridge between Canal and Division Streets.[57] A fourth segment started construction on July 25, 1974, between Second and Ninth Streets in the East Village.[58][59] In total, construction on the Second Avenue Line during the 1970s spanned over 27 blocks.[56][57][58]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway

This should answer your questions. The segments that were built were very small to begin with. Phase 2 proposes to use the 110-120 Street tunnel. The tunnel from 99th Street to 105th Street is now used to park out of service Q trains or turn then around during rush hours. The Lower East Side and Chinatown construction can't be used until Phases 3 and 4 and they may not used it. I've heard that the East Village portion just had utility relocation completed, but they filled in the tunnel.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Isn't there existing tunnel already for the 2nd avenue line that was built during the 70s. Or those tunnels are defunct and useless? If their is existing tunnel for the 2nd avenue line. Why don't the MTA utilize such structure instead of wasting money by building something entirely new.
They are used when possible.
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Old 07-24-2018, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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As an Upper East Sider who is deliriously happy with Phase 1 of the SAS (right to my back door) I would find very little use for Phases 2, 3, and 4 if the T-train is done as planned (in 2415.) Probably nobody here will live to see even Phase 2.


Speaking for myself, I find that connections between the Q and other subway lines are sufficient. For Alphabet City (theater only) I am content to switch to a bus (14A or 14D) at Union Square. I know that developers have their eye on Alphabet City, but getting subway service is THEIR axe to grind, not mine.




Does anyone know approximately how MUCH of the tunnel between 96th and 125th (Phase 2) is already in place?
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