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Old 08-23-2018, 06:36 AM
 
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"Plans are underway for the 750,000-square-foot Kingsbridge Armory in the Bronx to become the world’s largest ice-skating complex, according to its developers."

"If approved by New York City officials, the first phase of construction would include the build-out of the 5-acre site into nine rinks, athletic facilities, and a 5,000-seat stadium. Construction for phase one would likely total $170 million in overall costs and Parker hopes to raise money for the remainder of the project in order to complete it by 2022."


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Old 08-23-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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I remember people were complaining about this plan.

I see no issue with it, I don't get why people have such stereotypical perceptions of what should be in minority neighborhoods. And it certainly should not become housing, that structure is historic and unique.
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:09 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I remember people were complaining about this plan.

I see no issue with it, I don't get why people have such stereotypical perceptions of what should be in minority neighborhoods. And it certainly should not become housing, that structure is historic and unique.
The thinking is that it won't be affordable for people in the community and people from wealthy parts of Westchester will just come down to use it and the neighborhood without the neighborhood getting anything in return. There is nothing wrong with turning it into housing either. Lots of historical places have been used for such things.
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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The thinking is that it won't be affordable for people in the community and people from wealthy parts of Westchester will just come down to use it and the neighborhood without the neighborhood getting anything in return. There is nothing wrong with turning it into housing either. Lots of historical places have been used for such things.
There is plenty of "affordable" (for NYC criteria) housing in the Bronx already, no more is needed. The skating rink would be the same as the Yankee Stadium, or the Bronx Zoo, or the Botanical Garden: an item that would bring revenue from tickets sold to people from the entire NYC area that would come to skate, tourists that would come to skate, and the professional skaters and hockey players who would come to train. It could (and probably will) also be a venue to run skating shows/revues and charge admission - basically, a Theatre District on ice. And it may give some purpose to the local ghetto kids that can direct them out of the ghetto (playing hockey is equally or more macho than joining a gang, without drugs and murder). Time will tell whether it will bring enough revenue to justify its function - if the revenue is not sufficient to justify the function, it can always be repurposed again. Even with modest revenue, it will surely bring more to the Bronx than another NYCHA project that bleeds money for no socially defensible reason, and brings nothing except more crime (and would mean another good building torn down by the "ratchet" (is that the word? :-) tenants - no historic NYC building can be allowed to go to waste for that purpose any more. Furthermore, all the existing NYCHA projects should be privatized and rented out for low rent to working people without criminal records or criminal ties - the only way to clean up the Bronx).
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:31 AM
 
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The thinking is that it won't be affordable for people in the community and people from wealthy parts of Westchester will just come down to use it and the neighborhood without the neighborhood getting anything in return. There is nothing wrong with turning it into housing either. Lots of historical places have been used for such things.
Many people in poor neighborhoods wear $200 sneakers and have iphone 10s, I'm sure there are people who can afford ice skating tickets (who knows how affordable or not they'll be, though). And the venue can be multi use.

Why get rid of a historic structure just to make an apartment building? It's not going to create a dip in Bronx rents? It would be such a waste to turn the plot into NYCHA or an 80/20 building or whatever
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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Many people in poor neighborhoods wear $200 sneakers and have iphone 10s, I'm sure there are people who can afford ice skating tickets (who knows how affordable or not they'll be, though). And the venue can be multi use.
https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/c...hoCH6UQAvD_BwE

Ice skating tickets? He meant the hockey gear for the kids that would be using the rink, I'm sure

How did you not catch that
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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Ice skating tickets? He meant the hockey gear for the kids that would be using the rink, I'm sure

How did you not catch that
Yeah but it's not like you need all that gear to go casually ice skating

It will have 9 rinks, I'm sure at least one of them will be dedicated to casual ice skating as opposed to competetive sports
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Yeah but it's not like you need all that gear to go casually ice skating

It will have 9 rinks, I'm sure at least one of them will be dedicated to casual ice skating as opposed to competetive sports
You think ice skating is an economic activity?

Of course you do, you're from Long Island
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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You think ice skating is an economic activity?

Of course you do, you're from Long Island
What the hell are you talking about?

Ice skating could take place either in the form of a competitive sport (figure skating, hockey) or just for fun.
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Mott Haven, New York
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What the hell are you talking about?

Ice skating could take place either in the form of a competitive sport (figure skating, hockey) or just for fun.
Agreed. I lost count of how many times friends have invited me out for ice skating as a casual activity. I always decline because I'm a ditz and don't want pics all over Facebook of me busting my ass all day.

One day, though.

And if this place ever hits, I may just do so over there.
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