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^ Improving roadways will just invite more driving and cars, which then will result in more traffic. How is that progressive?
What?
You need roadways within the airport. Because JFK grew piecemeal, so did the roadway system. The cars and taxis are already THERE. The roadways within the airport need to be re-engineered for better traffic flow. While public transportation options are preferable and maybe someday when everyone posting here are all dead the AirTrain will be a one-seat ride into Manhattan, you're not going to be able to just stop vehicles from going to JFK.
You need roadways within the airport. Because JFK grew piecemeal, so did the roadway system. The cars and taxis are already THERE. The roadways within the airport need to be re-engineered for better traffic flow. While public transportation options are preferable and maybe someday when everyone posting here are all dead the AirTrain will be a one-seat ride into Manhattan, you're not going to be able to just stop vehicles from going to JFK.
Even when the Airtrain is a made into an one seat ride into Manhattan, a lot of people will prefer to use car services to go to and from the airport.
Connecting the Airtrain to either the subway or the LIRR won't take long IF the MTA and Port Authority work together. The problem is political between the Port Authority and the MTA. If the political situation between them gets resolved they could make an one seat ride into Manhattan in a few short years.
We'll see what Cuomo does on this front after he gets reelected.
You're so far up this governor's *(*@#8 you just can't help yourself, can you?
First and foremost one said nothing about wisdom of scheme, but pointed out (as usual) someone closely connected to Andrew Cuomo is getting his taste. There's a reason this egit governor put the kibosh on Moreland commission........
Since you brought up the subject, Cuomo is going to spend *13 BILLION* USD on what amounts to a window dressing. Mexico is building an entire new airport for only one billion more.
This huge sum of money does *NOTHING* to address main problems with JFK that make it one of the worst rated airports in USA. Things like air traffic control system, new and or expanded runways, a one seat train ride from Manhattan out to JFK...
Why should this project address an one seat ride into Manhattan? Private companies are putting up the money to upgrade the airport because these upgrades are to THEIR benefit.
Can you explain how they benefit from an one seat ride to Manhattan, and how they would get a return on their investment for this?
The cost of construction and even labor in NYC is always more expensive than Mexico.
And the upgrades to the airport, mostly paid for by AIRLINES, are certainly doing no harm to me. The airport is being improved. There's absolutely no reason for me to complain.
Even when the Airtrain is a made into an one seat ride into Manhattan, a lot of people will prefer to use car services to go to and from the airport.
Connecting the Airtrain to either the subway or the LIRR won't take long IF the MTA and Port Authority work together. The problem is political between the Port Authority and the MTA. If the political situation between them gets resolved they could make an one seat ride into Manhattan in a few short years.
We'll see what Cuomo does on this front after he gets reelected.
Well, it's more than just political. It's how they are set up and what each is allowed to do and what their priorities are. Right now you can take the Airtrain and connect with the LIRR and get to Manhattan easily enough. There are more pressing things to spend money on within each agency.
Well, it's more than just political. It's how they are set up and what each is allowed to do and what their priorities are. Right now you can take the Airtrain and connect with the LIRR and get to Manhattan easily enough. There are more pressing things to spend money on within each agency.
The Rockaway Beach LIRR study (results not released YET, study results ongoing and delayed) would basically have the LIRR for from Grand Central or Penn Station, on the mainline, on the reactivated portion of the abandoned Rockaway Beach LIRR to the A line (the A train runs on the Southern portion of the Rockaway Beach LIRR to Howards Beach and the Rockaways) to Howard Beach and then JFK via the Airtrain.
To do this the MTA and the Port Authority would have to buy trains capable of running on the LIRR, the subway, and the Airtrain. This can be done, but they'd have to do the study to do it before ordering the trains and obviously the physical track work and line restoration would have to take place.
It will happen eventually. Whether it happens in enough time to do us good (before we die of old age) is the question, but it will happen.
Right now the MTA is prioritizing future phases of the Second Avenue Subway, Metro North to Penn Station, and LIRR to Grand Central. The Port Authority is prioritizing the Airport upgrades, and Airtrain to LGA.
After the elections are over, we can see what Cuomo is able to do. Being that Resorts World by 2020 or so will be allowed to be a full service casino, perhaps the gambling industry and the hotel industry can put up some of the money for Rockaway Beach LIRR activation and an one train ride to Manhattan.
Intriguing read. As an old fan of JFK (Idlewild) it is interesting how it has come out.
I actually attended the airshow at the Idlewild opening. The late 40s i think. Was a visiting kid but still remember it.
Then for 30 years i traveled extensively. And i considered JFK one of the world's great airports. The terminals were striking and the service was good. It was a route I would use seldom - for Europe or the SE US. My regular route was west through Ohare, Cleveland or Detroit. So I did appreciate JFK.
And the upgrades to the airport, mostly paid for by AIRLINES, are certainly doing no harm to me. The airport is being improved. There's absolutely no reason for me to complain.
... because the Airport sucks, and after the cosmetics and terminal building improvements, the airport is still going to suck.
It isn't an "airport" improvement, it's individual companies wisely investing in the terminals they operate out of.
The Airport has real problems that need to be fixed.
Only of which, the roads and signage, will be addressed in a THIRTEEN BILLION DOLLAR project.
If you like being second hat to Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco... sure.
Don't pretend NYC is going to have a World-Class Airport until it fixes the runways and has feasible transportation options.
[quote=WithDisp;53301223]... because the Airport sucks, and after the cosmetics and terminal building improvements, the airport is still going to suck.
It isn't an "airport" improvement, it's individual companies wisely investing in the terminals they operate out of.
The Airport has real problems that need to be fixed.
Only of which, the roads and signage, will be addressed in a THIRTEEN BILLION DOLLAR project.
If you like being second hat to Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco... sure. Don't pretend NYC is going to have a World-Class Airport until it fixes the runways and has feasible transportation options.[/QUOTE]
Btw, the improvements to those terminals are very much airport improvements and they do indeed affect the experiences of travelers and these are real problems.
As for the rest, come up with a way to pay for it. People here love to be experts on everything ,especially when they complain but nobody has viable solutions.
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