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This will be long but if you say you are willing to listen, then I will try my best to put lay it out for you. When you put restrictions on the supply of housing, especially in desirable areas (like Manhattan) then the demand will be forced to go to other places.
Have you looked at the skyline of Manhattan? You have the peaks of Midtown and Downtown but a valley in between. That is a huge chunk of land right in the heart of Manhattan with all types of mass transit running through it but for the most part you can't build up too high. West Village, East Village, Meatpacking District, Hell's Kitchen, Chelsea, SoHo, Tribeca all with tight zoning and/or height limits, and all enacted within the past 20 years or so.
Manhattan is a desirable area so of course demand to live there is going to be high. If supply meets that demand, then prices will stabilize. When demand exceeds supply, prices rise, which is the case. Since the mid to late 90's, city living began to get popular again. Prior to that, people were abandoning the city (white flight and all that) Young people from the suburbs began to flock to cities. With surging demand to live in the city, instead of making room for the growth, NYC (due to community pressure and NIMBY groups) decided to do just the opposite and started downzoning and putting all kinds of restrictions, especially in the most desirable parts of Manhattan.
Think of the game musical chairs. There are more people than chairs. Someone will be forced out once the music stops. Now in the real world, housing units are like chairs. If you only have say 100 apartments but there are 101 people looking for apartments, then one person will be forced out. This person will then be forced to go elsewhere (like another nearby neighborhood) to look for an apartment. This person will then displace the person in that new area and that person will then be forced to go further out for an apartment and so on.
Multiply this scenario out many thousands of times repeatedly and you can see how displacement and thus gentrification works. It basically started out in Manhattan and just radiated out from there.
Thank you for your input.
So basically using your example it comes down to the people opposition versus skyscraper development.
A move in one direction hurts the opposition a move in the other hurts development.
Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.
New York development is like trying to fit 20 lbs of salami into a 5 lb bag.
Eventually there will come that time to leave Manhattan alone and develop elsewhere.
I guess that's why they coined the term New York or bust. L.O.L.... Thanks..........................
Last edited by Mr.Retired; 11-13-2018 at 07:50 PM..
Thank you for your input.
So basically it comes down to the people opposition versus skyscraper development.
A move in one direction hurts the opposition a move in the other hurts development.
Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.
From my long time observation (I have been following NYC development since the late 1990's on sites like the now essentially defunct wirednewyork, SSP, SSC, NYYimby, The Real Deal, Curbed, etc.), most of the regular NY'ers are not opposed to skyscraper development. It is a small but vocal minority that are opposed to them. Sadly, the city only hears from those that are against them and thinks they speak for the whole public. They do not.
All these people have done is to make things expensive for everyone in this city and slowly kill the life of this city by driving out talent and businesses to other cheaper cities.
I'd love to get rid of Bla. But he'll go away on his own in '21. I'm sure he'll then run for Governor in '22.
Hahahaha!
Bill de Boob running for governor. That eejit would get clobbered by upstate voters. Downstate which is fast becoming solid SJW territory would be another matter.
Besides word on street is BdeB is eyeing a WH run in 2020 which suits because he's out in 2021.
OTOH unless Cuomo tries to run for a fourth term (who knows with that guy), the knives will be out by 2022 from both republicans and democrats eye an open NYS governor's spot. In fact soon as dust settles in 2019 from the fallout of 2018 elections in Albany look for some to start making their first move.
Bill de Boob running for governor. That eejit would get clobbered by upstate voters. Downstate which is fast becoming solid SJW territory would be another matter.
Besides word on street is BdeB is eyeing a WH run in 2020 which suits because he's out in 2021.
OTOH unless Cuomo tries to run for a fourth term (who knows with that guy), the knives will be out by 2022 from both republicans and democrats eye an open NYS governor's spot. In fact soon as dust settles in 2019 from the fallout of 2018 elections in Albany look for some to start making their first move.
I agree.
They could say all they want about Donald but at least he's got balls of steel and won't stand down to anybody.
All the others mentioned.................the sound of a firecracker will have them scrambling under their beds.
From my long time observation (I have been following NYC development since the late 1990's on sites like the now essentially defunct wirednewyork, SSP, SSC, NYYimby, The Real Deal, Curbed, etc.), most of the regular NY'ers are not opposed to skyscraper development. It is a small but vocal minority that are opposed to them. Sadly, the city only hears from those that are against them and thinks they speak for the whole public. They do not.
All these people have done is to make things expensive for everyone in this city and slowly kill the life of this city by driving out talent and businesses to other cheaper cities.
Internet forums are not the same people actually voting. You aren’t going to get low rises in the West Village or brownstones in Brooklyn torn down so someone can get skyscrapers. There are reasons that most development occurs in post industrial spaces.
Internet forums are not the same people actually voting. You aren’t going to get low rises in the West Village or brownstones in Brooklyn torn down so someone can get skyscrapers. There are reasons that most development occurs in post industrial spaces.
No one is talking about historical heritage districts. NIMBYs are literally everywhere. Look whats happening even on Flatbush with the new highrise projects there.
it's too bad we can't get rid of the City Council as well!
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