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Old 12-25-2018, 10:25 PM
 
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According to NYT piece fare evasion has gone through the roof with seemingly people not giving an eff and just jumping turnstiles, walking through gates, etc..., and some times in groups.


Buses are even worse, especially SBS, where everyone and their mother justifies their nonpayment.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/24/n...e-evasion.html
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Old 12-26-2018, 07:32 AM
 
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Doesn’t MTA has their own police force? Why not deploy those people and have them standby to give out summons and tickets? This way, it will bring some money into the system, and they won’t say no one is paying.
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Old 12-26-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Staten Island
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Doesn’t MTA has their own police force? Why not deploy those people and have them standby to give out summons and tickets? This way, it will bring some money into the system, and they won’t say no one is paying.
While that sounds like a great plan it is unrealistic to think you can have police everywhere. People not paying goes on all the time. It really is unbelievable. On some routes in some areas almost no one pays. This is especially true about the young.
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Old 12-26-2018, 08:34 AM
 
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I dont care about MTA fare evasion. They decided to allow it now so why should anyone care?

Your whole theory about how MTA needs to act in the peoples better interests, is futile...
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Old 12-26-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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Patrolling cops cost a LOT more than fare beaters.
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Old 12-26-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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I’m so tired of hearing about fare-beating when that’s not even the primary or secondary issue with the MTA these days, but congrats to their press department for so successfully shifting the conversation away from the agency’s responsibility for bad subway service.

Fare evasion isn’t why express trains average 10-12 miles per hour at rush hour or why 10-minute off-peak headways on crowded routes is “good service” or why signals keep failing or why technology upgrades standard the world over will take decades to implement.
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Old 12-26-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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Doesn’t MTA has their own police force? Why not deploy those people and have them standby to give out summons and tickets? This way, it will bring some money into the system, and they won’t say no one is paying.


Went through this before; MTA has their own police force yes, but only for the railroads (Metro-North and LIRR) which includes their various properties such as stations, terminals, yards, etc... New York City subways and buses as part of NYCT get their protection from NYPD.


This largely stems from the MTA being made up of two former private railroads: PennCentral (who owned LIRR, Boston and New Haven, etc..). Private railroads long has their own police forces to protect their property, passengers and freight. Not surprising when you consider back in the day nearly all freight moved by train. Everything from mail to packages and onto larger things. Long before UPS railroads would pick-up (or you delivered to their depot/offices) packages or whatever in say Boston. They would crate, pack and ship it to wherever (say New York City), where it would be sent along to your nephew on Park Avenue...


New York City Transit police who once were responsible for subway, bus and other transit LE were merged into the NYPD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...Transit_Police


MTA also pays the NYPD to provide those undercover or whatever officers on SBS routes that check for tickets both onboard an or as passengers exit buses.
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Old 12-26-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Now that there is no worry about getting ticket I literally see full grown men in business suits jumping the turnstile. The other day I was out of funds on my card in there was a massive liners get a new one. I said, f it, and did the same. Free ride!
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Old 12-26-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Now that there is no worry about getting ticket I literally see full grown men in business suits jumping the turnstile. The other day I was out of funds on my card in there was a massive liners get a new one. I said, f it, and did the same. Free ride!
MTA announced that it's okay. Nobody needs to pay anymore. Why is this an issue? If you make $40K per year, and your subway tickets cost almost $2K per year... that is some savings!

I could get like 12 nice big juicy steaks per year at that sort of price (from a nice Steak House too) all just for jumping a turnstyle. I can almost smell my free steaks from here......
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Old 12-26-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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As with everything else fare beaters have not changed YoY. It's the same subway stops in impoverished areas. No one fare beats in my neighborhood because it is well lit, newly renovated and several station agents and cameras. Meanwhile deeper into Queens in the 7 line the deeper you go the more fare beaters. Same with any other crime.

MTA needs to stop trying to move the goal post. Andy Byford keep your eye on the wheel!!!!
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