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Old 04-20-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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So it's not that illegal aliens are the leaseholders for NYCHA apartments BUT a citizen is - who then in turn allows illegal aliens to reside there? If that's the case the leaseholder should be evicted too.

It's disturbing that there's still such a long waitlist for NYCHA and people are looking forward to living in such horrid and deplorable conditions in questionable neighborhoods.



public housing was for people that were down on thier luck, had financial problems, etc, it was there so they can get back on thier feet and move on, NOT to become life long entitled residents for all eternity, thats not what HYCHA was designed for.




The people that are on these years and years long list, by the time they are called, they should be by then, in a better financial place than they were originally, thus seeking subsidized housing, one would think............."



and everyone, republicans and democrats should all be on board with "take care of Americans first".
Americans should come first and foremost above anyone, period and end of it.


anyone that doesnt get that, needs thier head examined.
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Old 04-20-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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public housing was for people that were down on thier luck, had financial problems, etc, it was there so they can get back on thier feet and move on, NOT to become life long entitled residents for all eternity, thats not what HYCHA was designed for.




The people that are on these years and years long list, by the time they are called, they should be by then, in a better financial place than they were originally, thus seeking subsidized housing, one would think............."



and everyone, republicans and democrats should all be on board with "take care of Americans first".
Americans should come first and foremost above anyone, period and end of it.


anyone that doesnt get that, needs thier head examined.
I agree. It's amazing how people are comfortable being in NYCHA their whole lives and often attempt to leave the apartment to their kin like it's a heirloom.

You would think, but there are people that might apply in 2013 and in 2020 are still in the same place - making excuses for their situation.

We definitely need to take care of Americans first. Yet, we have people striving to do the opposite

We also need to prevent our citizens from being so dependent and content using public benefits or programs for most of their lives refusing to change their circumstances for the better.
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Old 04-20-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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All they have to do is pay someone in cash for a room in a NYCHA apartment. People break the housing occupancy laws in NYC all the time. Two bedroom apartments with 17 undocumented immigrants or one bedrooms with 6 transplants.

Not to mention illegal Airbnb apartments.

It certainly would be a very different city if these laws were enforced.

Don’t hold your breath.

Because these people are used to work in the low level service jobs that the city depends upon. Tourism is now the biggest part of the city’s economy, and the hospitality sector depends on these people. Working to middle class Americans have largely fled the city,

In one market-rented bedroom occupied by 6 "transplants", all of them pay their rent from their own income - they pay what they can afford with their own money, they are all supporting themselves, and not asking taxpayers for money. While for various reasons it would be better not to have such a situation, that situation is in no way comparable to a person in NYCHA apartment whose housing is partly or totally paid by taxpayers. Illegal overcrowding does not involve theft, while illegal living off of taxpayers does - that is a very major difference. Taxpayer money should support people who truly have no biologic ability whatsoever to support themselves, not those (foreign or domestic) who exploit the US taxpayers because it's easy.



Taking this further, people who have no biologic ability to support themselves also have no reason to live in NYC, and charity housing for them should be in the cheapest locations Upstate, where there is no housing demand from people who pay for their own housing.



Employment in the city and lack of criminal history should be two absolute requirements for living in partly subsidized housing in NYC. Also, no housing subsidy for anyone in NYC should be greater than 50% of market-rate rent for the same-sized apartment. In other words, if market-rate rent for one bedroom apartment in the Bronx is $1,400, the maximum Section 8 voucher should be $700, not $1,400, and should be given exclusively to EMPLOYED low-income people who need help to live in an expensive city in order to perform their low-paid work. People who do not perform work are not needed by NYC taxpayers, and should not be paid (by these taxpayers) just to live in NYC.

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Old 04-20-2019, 04:21 PM
 
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In one market-rented bedroom occupied by 6 "transplants", all of them pay their rent from their own income - they pay what they can afford with their own money, they are all supporting themselves, and not asking taxpayers for money. While for various reasons it would be better not to have such a situation, that situation is in no way comparable to a person in NYCHA apartment whose housing is partly or totally paid by taxpayers. Illegal overcrowding does not involve theft, while illegal living off of taxpayers does - that is a very major difference. Taxpayer money should support people who truly have no biologic ability whatsoever to support themselves, not those (foreign or domestic) who exploit the US taxpayers because it's easy.



Taking this further, people who have no biologic ability to support themselves also have no reason to live in NYC, and charity housing for them should be in the cheapest locations Upstate, where there is no housing demand from people who pay for their own housing.



Employment in the city and lack of criminal history should be two absolute requirements for living in partly subsidized housing in NYC. Also, no housing subsidy for anyone in NYC should be greater than 50% of market-rate rent for the same-sized apartment. In other words, if market-rate rent for one bedroom apartment in the Bronx is $1,400, the maximum Section 8 voucher should be $700, not $1,400, and should be given exclusively to EMPLOYED low-income people who need help to live in an expensive city in order to perform their low-paid work. People who do not perform work are not needed by NYC taxpayers, and should not be paid (by these taxpayers) just to live in NYC.

Can I get an AMEN?!
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:24 PM
 
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Public housing should be 10 years maximum. If you are not able to find suitable employment and finance your own way after 10 years your options should be to leave and find accomdations more suitable to your financial situation or be offered housing in cheap upstate/outer state locals. Why does anyone need to live in the projects for more than 10 years?
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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Very few illegal immigrants live in NYCHA or have section 8. They don’t tend to apply for welfare or food stamps either. Illegal immigrants are very evasive in general and don’t tell you who they are. They also tend to stay in marginal places like jersey.
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:36 PM
 
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Very few illegal immigrants live in NYCHA or have section 8. They donít tend to apply for welfare or food stamps either. Illegal immigrants are very evasive in general and donít tell you who they are. They also tend to stay in marginal places like jersey.
There are hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in NYC proper. And what is marginal about New Jersey? It's not some remote area.
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Old 04-20-2019, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Confines of the 101 Precinct
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Very few illegal immigrants live in NYCHA or have section 8. They donít tend to apply for welfare or food stamps either. Illegal immigrants are very evasive in general and donít tell you who they are. They also tend to stay in marginal places like jersey.
Maybe this story is just a distraction then?
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Old 04-21-2019, 05:25 AM
 
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Very few illegal immigrants live in NYCHA or have section 8. They donít tend to apply for welfare or food stamps either. Illegal immigrants are very evasive in general and donít tell you who they are. They also tend to stay in marginal places like jersey.

You don't now what you're talking about.


Stand on Third, Second or even Lexington avenues any night of the week say past 10PM until wee hours and you'll see waves of Mexicans, Salvadorians, and other Latinx illegals making their way uptown on foot or bikes. Late/overnight the subways also have large numbers of illegals going home.


Chinese and other illegal Asians tend to roll a bit differently. Some do take mass transit, others get rides home from whoever.


Go out to Staten Island and visit Port Richmond and a few other select areas, then tell me illegals live in "marginal" areas.


Only illegals who live in NJ, LI or PA are those who have found work out there, and or managed somehow to get a drivers license.


The illegal Latinx family that has been collecting bottles/recyclables on my street and all over UES for years now drives a late model minivan with Jersey plates.


Illegals are also crafty as eff. While there laws against hiring illegals, nothing says you cannot engage someone who is self employed or otherwise a contractor. Long as you provide a 1099 you're behind is usually safe. Scores of illegals have set themselves up as cleaning/janitorial contractors. Again walk up and down the UES and really all over Manhattan from restaurants, small gyms or whatever you see Latinx people doing the after hours cleaning/floor buffing/polishing and so forth.


They get themselves the proper equipment, a busted ride, and low ball everyone else out.


Don't get me started on construction. Get on the "Q" or any subway at quitting time and you'll find tons of illegals going home. Not just Latinx either, African, Asian, Irish, Polish, etc...


IMHO there isn't a single restaurant, pizza joint or whatever that isn't using illegals as back kitchen or whatever non-tipped labor. Also just who do you think are riding all those bikes making deliveries at all hours and in all sorts of weather?
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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You don't now what you're talking about.


Stand on Third, Second or even Lexington avenues any night of the week say past 10PM until wee hours and you'll see waves of Mexicans, Salvadorians, and other Latinx illegals making their way uptown on foot or bikes. Late/overnight the subways also have large numbers of illegals going home.


Chinese and other illegal Asians tend to roll a bit differently. Some do take mass transit, others get rides home from whoever.


Go out to Staten Island and visit Port Richmond and a few other select areas, then tell me illegals live in "marginal" areas.


Only illegals who live in NJ, LI or PA are those who have found work out there, and or managed somehow to get a drivers license.


The illegal Latinx family that has been collecting bottles/recyclables on my street and all over UES for years now drives a late model minivan with Jersey plates.


Illegals are also crafty as eff. While there laws against hiring illegals, nothing says you cannot engage someone who is self employed or otherwise a contractor. Long as you provide a 1099 you're behind is usually safe. Scores of illegals have set themselves up as cleaning/janitorial contractors. Again walk up and down the UES and really all over Manhattan from restaurants, small gyms or whatever you see Latinx people doing the after hours cleaning/floor buffing/polishing and so forth.


They get themselves the proper equipment, a busted ride, and low ball everyone else out.


Don't get me started on construction. Get on the "Q" or any subway at quitting time and you'll find tons of illegals going home. Not just Latinx either, African, Asian, Irish, Polish, etc...


IMHO there isn't a single restaurant, pizza joint or whatever that isn't using illegals as back kitchen or whatever non-tipped labor. Also just who do you think are riding all those bikes making deliveries at all hours and in all sorts of weather?

But the very first thing that appears on the 1099-MISC form is your name and social security number. If you are charging a fee for 1099 independent contractor services, as a self-employed person, you must have a social security number. How do illegal aliens get that? Stolen? Fake number that people do not check when they do business with a 1099 contractor? But if you pay anything to a 1099 contractor, you have to file the 1099 MISC with the IRS (in addition to the 1099 contractor having to file their own 1040 Schedule C) - the IRS computer would immediately detect an invalid 1099 MISC form or duplicate tax return (with a stolen SSN) or a fake number (with a made-up SSN). So, I don't think 1099 contractor route is possible for an illegal. The work would have to be completely under the table, with both the payer and the "contractor" knowing very well that they are engaging in illegal business.

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