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Old Yesterday, 08:44 PM
 
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^ That "big chunk" of the country is starting to turn purple. They are saying Texas (yes Texas) might flip over to blue within the next decade if not sooner. The demographic change (due in large part to the fast growing Hispanic population) is taking place in many formerly solidly red states.

 
Old Yesterday, 08:48 PM
 
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Oh and they won't call it socialism. They'll use more innocuous names (taxes to help the poor and needy - who's going to be against that?) so most people wouldn't even bat an eye but it will essentially be just like socialism in everything but the name.
 
Old Yesterday, 09:13 PM
 
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you disagree? Why do you think a bozo like Trump was elected. Once there's no Trump left to fight back there is only a certain amount a big chunk of the country will tolerate. If things go full socialist my money is on a civil war, and that side has all the guns - and yes these things take time to develop
With all that talk, why aren't you running?
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Old Today, 05:21 AM
 
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^ That "big chunk" of the country is starting to turn purple. They are saying Texas (yes Texas) might flip over to blue within the next decade if not sooner. The demographic change (due in large part to the fast growing Hispanic population) is taking place in many formerly solidly red states.
That's always the quick take, but the other issue is that Dallas, Austin and Houston have boomed with white collar, educated professionals in their massive suburbs that might have been republicans 20 years ago but disdain the recent white nationalist turn the party has taken post-Trump. Unlike the "progressive" north, your average Dallas suburb is generally heavily mixed with asian, black and some hispanic professionals. Not lily white.

I'm a political moderate, and personally I thought Trump was a shoo in for 2020. After his "Go back home" comment, I think he's going to lose any upper-middle class moderates he might have had. His only saving grace is the economy. As a conservative of color, I don't even know if I'll vote...
 
Old Today, 05:33 AM
 
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In real life, it doesn't happen overnight. Changes tend to happen gradually to where even opponents don't perceive it as a threat until it reaches the point where you can't do much about it anyway.

For example, NYC was never this Far Left. But gradually it happened and now we're on the same level as California. New Yorkers used to make fun of California for being too crazy. Now this city would fit right in that state. And there's nothing you can do about it now. Conservatives, moderates or even moderate Democrats have no chance in NYC politics.
NYC was pretty far left from WWII onward, even before. NYC was the epicenter of radical socialist press as far back as 1900 when socialists from Eastern Europe began pouring in. The difference is that there always was that large working class contingent rooted in common sense coupled with the business community that balanced it out. In the 60s and 70s, the working class left and the business community couldn't outvote the rest so you end up with Lindsay (worst mayor ever, makes DeBlasio look excellent).

Guilani happened because of crime. Even liberals on the UWS were scared. Despite all the hoopla, crime is one issue that if heaven forbid ever approached even 2000 levels would definitely swing the city back towards a more Republican stance. I'm not convinced the city is as liberal as DeBlasio like to think it is. Many minority communities are pro-jobs, pro-charter schools, pro-common sense too.

2021 will be interesting. If Trump is in office, I have a bad feeling city voters will vote for the most out-there person on the ballot because #resistance. If a democrat wins in 2020, then we might have a more reasonable person winning.
 
Old Today, 05:44 AM
 
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That's always the quick take, but the other issue is that Dallas, Austin and Houston have boomed with white collar, educated professionals in their massive suburbs that might have been republicans 20 years ago but disdain the recent white nationalist turn the party has taken post-Trump. Unlike the "progressive" north, your average Dallas suburb is generally heavily mixed with asian, black and some hispanic professionals. Not lily white.

I'm a political moderate, and personally I thought Trump was a shoo in for 2020. After his "Go back home" comment, I think he's going to lose any upper-middle class moderates he might have had. His only saving grace is the economy. As a conservative of color, I don't even know if I'll vote...
His comment was totally taken out of context and directed to the Squad, who were attacking him. I suggest you follow the back and forth between them and see for yourself. The Left and their media friends tried to twist it as racial. I guess you bought into it.
 
Old Today, 05:47 AM
 
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NYC was pretty far left from WWII onward, even before. NYC was the epicenter of radical socialist press as far back as 1900 when socialists from Eastern Europe began pouring in. The difference is that there always was that large working class contingent rooted in common sense coupled with the business community that balanced it out. In the 60s and 70s, the working class left and the business community couldn't outvote the rest so you end up with Lindsay (worst mayor ever, makes DeBlasio look excellent).

Guilani happened because of crime. Even liberals on the UWS were scared. Despite all the hoopla, crime is one issue that if heaven forbid ever approached even 2000 levels would definitely swing the city back towards a more Republican stance. I'm not convinced the city is as liberal as DeBlasio like to think it is. Many minority communities are pro-jobs, pro-charter schools, pro-common sense too.

2021 will be interesting. If Trump is in office, I have a bad feeling city voters will vote for the most out-there person on the ballot because #resistance. If a democrat wins in 2020, then we might have a more reasonable person winning.
Nah, there were always liberal elements in NYC (all cities had them to varying degrees) but NYC as a whole was moderate. The far Left progressive nuts running the city now would never had a chance even as late as early 2000.
 
Old Today, 06:39 AM
 
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NYC was blue-collar union Dem for decades, never California weirdo/South American militant leftist like we are now.
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Old Today, 08:37 AM
 
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Yeah we're doing so well. The student debt crisis is still expanding. Children are being locked in concentration camps on the border in inhumane conditions. We're losing respect from our allies worldwide. We have racists and/or full on white supremacists in charge of our policies. We have an executive branch that acts as though it is entirely above the law and refuses to hold itself accountable for anything. The opioid crisis is raging on even though Trump said he was going to help with that. We still have crumbling infrastructure even though Trump said he was going to help with that. The GOP and Trump are working on gutting the ACA. The tax "cuts" were a sham and we can't fund our government. We're actively working against the scientific community when it comes to combating climate change. Hate crimes are up.

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. I mean, unless you're just privileged, wealthy, straight, Christian, white, and male, we are not doing pretty well with him as President. We're objectively doing poorly aside from the stock markets. Subjectively, you may believe that having racists in the executive branch is good. Subjectively, you may believe that more hate crimes is good. Subjectively, you may believe that climate change is a hoax started by the Chinese and wind turbines will give you windmill cancer. However, objectively, we're not doing well. Objectively, the student debt crisis is dire. Objectively, children being locked in concentration camps is abhorrent. Objectively, our infrastructure is still falling apart. Objectively, heroin and fentanyl are still killing people in nightmarish numbers. Objectively, our allies don't have the same respect for us as a country.
Wow you sound like CNN lol

-Student debt crisis expanding - well, you bought it so you pay for it. Simple. Why aren't the socialists in office talking about people's car payments and housing costs while at it? I think it's unfair that some of us did pay for loans, and others just didn't go to college, and well, now we all have to pay for people's debt, which they have because of choice. It's not like they were forced to go to college.

- Did you know that Obama started the cage thing and Trump signed an executive order to change it? Read the article written back in 2013 below:

https://www.occupy.com/article/obama....PElxSomm.dpbs


Now read his executive order here eliminating the practice. It's straight from the white house:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...ly-separation/


What do you expect government to do about the Opioid crisis? Big pharma started the crisis for some, and others who wanted to feel good made the personal decision to take these. I mean, every morning I have coffee - no amount of government policy will prevent me from having a cup. Banning something will never work.
 
Old Today, 09:08 AM
 
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Wow you sound like CNN lol
It sounds like he or she or xi or zhe has been listening to too much CNN. Every talking point memorized.
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