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Old 07-31-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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What the Hell is svooyadell? I gather from the video it is some kind of pastry?
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:36 AM
 
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What the Hell is svooyadell? I gather from the video it is some kind of pastry?
Also known as Lobster tails due to the shape of the pastry.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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What the Hell is svooyadell? I gather from the video it is some kind of pastry?
A nice light and fluffy layered pastry stuffed with a creamy filling. Sort of like a croissant (which also can be had filled with cream) but layers are made up from leaves of pastry.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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So, like a Napoleon?
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Old 08-01-2019, 08:00 AM
 
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Manicotti and Manigault are two completely different names.

My dear god.
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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What else do you expect from American - Italians, many of whom are generations removed from their Italian roots? Many know a few basic words and apply "goomba" diction or inflections when speaking. As cringing asbit is for me to listen to, I can understand why they speak this way.
It is interesting because not all Italian-Americans are so far removed. Some are only 2 generations away.
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Old Today, 03:02 PM
 
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It's not a matter of correctness vs. incorrectness though. It's not incorrect to pronounce Italian in a regional accent.

As a (native) Italian speaker, I can assure you that there is a reason why the "manigoat" pronunciation and similar exist. Most Italian Americans come from Southern Italian stock. Many Southern Italian regions, in these cases most likely Naples and Sicily, have quirks in local pronunciation which have led to Americans of Neapolitan and Sicilian origin to carry these pronunciations over and pass them down as if they were standard Italian.

In Naples the ending of many words is truncated so you will indeed actually hear manicott'. In Sicily, as someone mentioned here, many people pronounce C as G and P and B. Additionally, the letter U is in place of the letter O in many words, like the standard Italian "mozzarella" becoming "muzzarella" in Sicilian and similar.

If you go to Naples today you will indeed hear people say mozzarell' and manicott' just like in the US.

These pronunciations have become comically exaggerated over time here in America but they have a real historic meaning.
I thought it was because many Italian immigrants came over before standard Italian was unified and taught in schools. They didn't come over speaking Italian, but dialect. Standard Italian began after WW II. For what it's worth, my German grandma doesn't speak real German either. She speaks dialect.
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Old Today, 04:43 PM
 
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I thought it was because many Italian immigrants came over before standard Italian was unified and taught in schools. They didn't come over speaking Italian, but dialect. Standard Italian began after WW II. For what it's worth, my German grandma doesn't speak real German either. She speaks dialect.
From what am hearing you may be on to something.....

Standard "Tuscan" Italian wasn't the mandated language or whatever taught throughout Italy until after WWII. Even then adults already out of school wouldn't switch overnight, it would take one or two generations of Italian children (especially from the south), to grow up and slowly displace whatever regional dialects were the norm. Many still speak both the dialect and standard regional since there still are plenty of persons living in south of Italy born before WWII that speak as they always have.

Again with Sopranos clip posted above where Furio speaks with his uncle after his father's funeral. Obviously Furio was born and educated post WWII, but can converse with his uncle easily in Neapolitan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naples_dialect


Federico Castelluccio was born in Naples, but moved to USA with his family while a small boy. Thus it is almost certain spoke Neapolitan with his parents and probably family in Italy.
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Old Today, 05:39 PM
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Manny gut
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Old Today, 05:53 PM
 
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It is interesting because not all Italian-Americans are so far removed. Some are only 2 generations away.
True, true.

Out on SI, parts of Bronx and Brooklyn you have a good number of people just off the boat, and or not that far removed.

While the Kennedy immigration bill decimated numbers of Europeans coming to USA, Italians and others still come.
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