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Old 07-29-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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Don't be condescending because I voiced my opinion. Those scenarios you pointed out are different from this specific situation. When it comes to a parent leaving their child in a hot car to die that is a criminally neglegent act. I don't care how much of an accident or mistake it was. And to be honest no one actually knows if this was intentional or not. This man could be the best actor in the world with his antics. What if he was miserable having two extra kids and thought this was the best way to address that problem?
How are they different? It is negligence? No?

The guy's wife is coming to his defense. You don't know this guy at all yet you are creating a narrative for him.

"And to be honest no one actually knows if this was intentional or not. This man could be the best actor in the world with his antics. What if he was miserable having two extra kids and thought this was the best way to address that problem"

This type of tragic incident occurs every year. The couple has a 4 year old son and twins of 1 year so they are probably sleep deprived.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-ve...ssues/hotcars/
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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They should have a safety feature in cars so this doesn’t happen. Something to sleet the parents or an alarm that goes off when a child is in the car and it gets too hot or they have been alone for more than 5 min.
I believe both Hyundai and Nissan have this feature on some of their vehicles. There are also apps you can get that will alert you. I would hope that any parent should at the very least have an app that would warn them. We can all say we'd never do that but there but for the grace of God...

https://www.mother.ly/news/best-car-seat-sensor-app
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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They have been telling people for years to put your cell phone, purse, briefcase and lunch in the backseat so you have to look back there. I really donít understand how this happens but since it does people need to heed this advice.

That implies the cell phone is more important than the kids.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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That implies the cell phone is more important than the kids.
You clearly haven't read the thread because this has already been addressed. The phone is not more important. If you put something in the backseat and make a habit of going into the back to grab your phone/laptop/lunch/etc., then that habit could help you notice a child in the backseat who usually isn't there.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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How are they different? It is negligence? No?

The guy's wife is coming to his defense. You don't know this guy at all yet you are creating a narrative for him.

"And to be honest no one actually knows if this was intentional or not. This man could be the best actor in the world with his antics. What if he was miserable having two extra kids and thought this was the best way to address that problem"

This type of tragic incident occurs every year. The couple has a 4 year old son and twins of 1 year so they are probably sleep deprived.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-ve...ssues/hotcars/

You are the one making a narrative about him. Claiming that he's a distraught, sleep deprived, loving husband who made a simple mistake. You want to twist my words then I will twist yours.

If you bothered to clearly read my post I said "This man could be the best actor" not "is".

I'm not sold that is was 100% a tragic accident as some of the people that left their kids in their car did it deliberately. People should not dismiss that. You don't know without a shadow of doubt that this was all an accident. And even if it was I don't know how this man can live with himself.

If my wife did this to our children I'd tell the courts to not spare her any mercy. I don't forgive for these mistakes. It's black and white to me. Does that make me closed minded and unreasonable? You bet.

Let Juan Rodriguez sit in the back seat of a car on a hot day for 8 hours. I hope he serves a long, lengthy jail sentence to make an example to others.
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Listening to all these people cheer and clap for him like he's some kind of hero when he makes bail is disgusting:
https://nypost.com/2019/07/27/dad-wh...mazing-father/
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:22 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Listening to all these people cheer and clap for him like he's some kind of hero when he makes bail is disgusting:
https://nypost.com/2019/07/27/dad-wh...mazing-father/
What's more disgusting is the amount of donations he'll get from gofundme. We as a society cheer for people for make grave mistakes but never cheer for people who do the right thing.
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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You are the one making a narrative about him. Claiming that he's a distraught, sleep deprived, loving husband who made a simple mistake. You want to twist my words then I will twist yours.

If you bothered to clearly read my post I said "This man could be the best actor" not "is".

I'm not sold that is was 100% a tragic accident as some of the people that left their kids in their car did it deliberately. People should not dismiss that. You don't know without a shadow of doubt that this was all an accident. And even if it was I don't know how this man can live with himself.

If my wife did this to our children I'd tell the courts to not spare her any mercy. I don't forgive for these mistakes. It's black and white to me. Does that make me closed minded and unreasonable? You bet.

Let Juan Rodriguez sit in the back seat of a car on a hot day for 8 hours. I hope he serves a long, lengthy jail sentence to make an example to others.
If it is a fundamental problem for some people with how their memory works, how does incarceration deter others? While some are not, many of these occurrences are mistakes. Do you have some way on predicting who will have this problem, and not allow them to have children? This is not the type of event, that if a mistake, enforcing generates compliance.

This will be pain he carries forever whether he is in jail or not. Jailing him takes a father away from 3 other children. Is society willing to accept housing a person for no rehabilitative purpose and likely supporting a now single mother of 3. I'd rather he forced to do community service, or forced to participate in studies on why this happens and coming up with solutions, than throwing him in jail for no purpose.
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Old 07-29-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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You are the one making a narrative about him. Claiming that he's a distraught, sleep deprived, loving husband who made a simple mistake. You want to twist my words then I will twist yours.

If you bothered to clearly read my post I said "This man could be the best actor" not "is".

I'm not sold that is was 100% a tragic accident as some of the people that left their kids in their car did it deliberately. People should not dismiss that. You don't know without a shadow of doubt that this was all an accident. And even if it was I don't know how this man can live with himself.

If my wife did this to our children I'd tell the courts to not spare her any mercy. I don't forgive for these mistakes. It's black and white to me. Does that make me closed minded and unreasonable? You bet.

Let Juan Rodriguez sit in the back seat of a car on a hot day for 8 hours. I hope he serves a long, lengthy jail sentence to make an example to others.
LOL. Where did i say he was a distraught, loving husband? I stated he made a tragic mistake and was probably sleep deprived. At the end of the day, his wife came to his defense.

"If my wife did this to our children I'd tell the courts to not spare her any mercy. I don't forgive for these mistakes. It's black and white to me" I would assume if you did this mistake then you will request no mercy from the judge too, right???

And if the police state this as an accident should he still face jail time?? "I hope he serves a long, lengthy jail sentence to make an example to others."

If so, shouldn't parents whose kids drown at a pool, beach or incidents in which the kid found the parent's gun and shot another or him/herself also face the same sentence??
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:32 PM
 
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LOL. Where did i say he was a distraught, loving husband? I stated he made a tragic mistake and was probably sleep deprived. At the end of the day, his wife came to his defense.

"If my wife did this to our children I'd tell the courts to not spare her any mercy. I don't forgive for these mistakes. It's black and white to me" I would assume if you did this mistake then you will request no mercy from the judge too, right???

And if the police state this as an accident should he still face jail time?? "I hope he serves a long, lengthy jail sentence to make an example to others."

If so, shouldn't parents whose kids drown at a pool, beach or incidents in which the kid found the parent's gun and shot another or him/herself also face the same sentence??
We're going to go on and on about this tragedy forever. And it's not going to bring those innocent children back.
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